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Taigen Early Tiger 1

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:00 pm
by SgtMalarky
I bought a Taigen Tiger 1 'finished' but have been inspired by this forum to weather and rust etc.
Next stage is to add rust powder then mud powder. I have found the rust powder to be a bit on the 'in yer face' side so the mud and crud will hopefully cover it up a bit.
Before adfing the powders i will airbrush matt cote to seal what i have done to date. Does this sound OK? The pics below are my first three stages to get where I am.

Re: Taigen Early Tiger 1

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:36 am
by SgtMalarky
Now i washed the tracks with 50% Tamiya XF-86 and 50% thinners and some rust weathering powder.
Next is to muddy the tracks. No doubt most of the rust will be covered but i am sure some will show up.

Re: Taigen Early Tiger 1

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:37 am
by Aussie
Looks good so far , but don't overdo rust on tracks , they didn't really rust to much until they were knocked out and burnt.

Re: Taigen Early Tiger 1

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:04 pm
by HERMAN BIX
The material of the tracks was very resistant to outright corrosion. I have seen in person the Vimoutiers Tiger, and the LaGleise King Tiger, plus most of the well known AFV's from the Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maryland which have been outside for 70 years plus & the tracks are only very lightly tarnished.
The actual armour of the tanks in that era had a peculiar metallurgical composition which even today is highly resistant to full on oxidisation.
The tracks had a composition that can be compared to that of railway track material, and those only have surface oxidisation present.

The Panther in Hoffalize has pristine welds & only shows oxidisation in areas caused by the destructive forces that ended its service..........along with its crew. Standing on its deck was a subtlety moving moment.

The actual short combat service life before destruction or breakdown of AFV's was actually quite short.
Certainly short of deep flaking rust as we all know it.
Thin sheet metal like guards, exhausts etc- sure- they flake quickly, but the heavy metal primary components dont.

Your tracks are very nicely done, good work on them mate :thumbup:

Re: Taigen Early Tiger 1

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:05 pm
by SgtMalarky
Thank you for the extremely useful feedback. I think the mud and crud should tone them down. More pucs to folow . . .

Pete

Re: Taigen Early Tiger 1

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:13 pm
by SgtMalarky
Hi Guys need a bit of help, I got as far as adding mud weathering powder and failed. I tried weather pigment fix then adding my 'mud' trouble was it didnt fix. So I stripped back to bear track. Took a bit of doing but I'm there. Plan 2 is to prime the track with a primer from my local car spares shop, then paint metallic steel, although the bare track with black wash currently looks quite good. So with this in mind should i forego the painting and get on with a mud enamel wash, and if i do this can i add my mud weathering powder as i go along? Will it be OK using pigment on top of wet enamel wash?
I have added a picture of what effect i am aiming for. Ignore the splashed wheel that was just something i experimented with.
Regards Pete

Re: Taigen Early Tiger 1

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:48 pm
by Jake79
Best way is to let your wash dry, then brush your matt coat on let that dry then add your pigment powder using a fixer such as mig's pigment fixer..I've never heard of or seen someone add pigment on a wet wash..I suppose it could be done for a static model but on a moving model I'd recommend you use pigment fixer on a matt varnished surface.

Re: Taigen Early Tiger 1

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:41 pm
by SgtMalarky
Thanks Jake. I'll follow that procedure and keep you posted.

Re: Taigen Early Tiger 1

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:15 pm
by SgtMalarky
i created a mix of Tamiya diorama paint, earth and soil, added dark mud weathering powder, a hit of rust and as the Tamiya is acrylic based, i added Tamiya XF-86 matt varnish. Painted this quite liberally onto the tracks, let it dry. Seems to be holding really well. I then borrowed the wife's nail emery board and cleaned the surfaces that will run on the road to reveal the bare metal.

Re: Taigen Early Tiger 1

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:44 pm
by lmcq11
My method for the tracks is usually to paint them flat black to create a rough base for the pigments to adhere, then simply dry brush the tracks with Mig Dark Steel pigments overall, and then use some light or medium rust color pigments around the track pins. The fixer will usually tone down the rust to a realistic level. For models that i really wanted to have rusted track, i used Mig Track rust instead of Dark Steel as the main pigment.

Keep in mind that you may have to do a track overhaul once in a while to keep the effect.

Louis