LATE STUG,10PzGREN DIV,MORAVIA 1945

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:18 pm

Well, after a Russian marathon having altered a T34/76, finished off an SU-85, and forced an almost all metal JS-2 into a weary wreck from a mint $1000 runner, its time to return to the 3-colour of German Armour.

This time, a small size but big reputation!
I have a StuG III with very old RX14 controls, brand new and having found a really neat picture of a machine with odd-ball schurzen and an odd-ball M.G. shield, that was it !!............lets do it.
Panzer Wrecks 2, pages 22 and 23.
I get to do :

Zimmerit
Custom schurzen that makes the thing look like a JagdPz IV
3- layered loaders M.G. shield
Side opening hatches
Cupola armour
Saukopf Mantlet (god knows where I can get one of these :/ )
Oddly positioned spare road wheels
Roof mounted grenade launcher
Full baffle muzzle brake

And Im sure a few bits that are not visible in the pictures that I can decide might have been there !
Intend to run H/L 6.1s for servo control .

Will try to get a picture up of the subject, but as its in a book, the quality wont be real good, so I will do it when I can.
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Postby PainlessWolf » Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:57 pm

Good morning, Herman,
Looking forward to this one. Saurkopf Mantlet? Look at the Profiline Resin Kits available on Asiatam.
Following along,
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:02 pm

Thanks mate, I found one after a lot of searching.
Apparently they are called a “suction head cover” :wtf:

Some low end pics to kick the project off:
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Postby Aussie » Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:01 pm

That image certainly looks like it was taken after the war ended.
I think those oddly placed spare road wheels were placed on the front guards after it was knocked out.

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:44 pm

Yes it was after.
10 May '45 according to the book was when it was photographed.
It still would have looked like this the day before it was knocked out.
But the other pictures of the units machines show the spare wheel positions to be a unit thing !
Along with the curiously labour intensive schurzen armour alteration to close in the front edges to the hull.
It wasn't a one-vehicle feature so it seems.
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:32 am

Other pics of the units StuG's............seems they also had the market cornered on used T34 track armour !!!
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Postby Herr Dr. Professor » Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:49 am

Hey, Herman! If you need any old 27MHz parts for this build, I got a " whoooole mess 'uv 'em for ya!" :P :haha:
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:46 am

Herr Dr. Professor wrote:Hey, Herman! If you need any old 27MHz parts for this build, I got a " whoooole mess 'uv 'em for ya!" :P :haha:



Thanks mate, but noooooo thanks !
This is getting a 6.1s system it it asap !
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Postby EAO » Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:01 pm

Herman,

Thats a very interesting Stug to replicate. Another build worth watching...just saying! :D

Cheers,
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Postby PainlessWolf » Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:50 pm

Herman!
Following along because as you know, "We did not choose the StuG Life...It chose us!"
regards,
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Postby sassgrunt » Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:05 pm

Good morning Herman. I'm not sure if this offer is a help or a hindrance to you, but I have an unused saukopf mantlet from a Bandai StuG IV kit that you're welcome to. The kit is 1/15, but when I compare the mantlet to a 1/16 resin one (from Profiline, I think), it looks like if you shortened it by about 12mm at the rear end; it would be very close to the resin one. If you don't have a better prospect, it might be worth a try. And, you wouldn't lose anything if it didn't work. Let me know. -Mike

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:12 am

sassgrunt wrote:Good morning Herman. I'm not sure if this offer is a help or a hindrance to you, but I have an unused saukopf mantlet from a Bandai StuG IV kit that you're welcome to. The kit is 1/15, but when I compare the mantlet to a 1/16 resin one (from Profiline, I think), it looks like if you shortened it by about 12mm at the rear end; it would be very close to the resin one. If you don't have a better prospect, it might be worth a try. And, you wouldn't lose anything if it didn't work. Let me know. -Mike


Hello Mr Sass, thanks for your generous offer Sir, on this occasion though I shall politely decline.
I managed to find on under an obscure description in Germany, so its on its way by the now well entrenched slow-post to arrive when it does & not a moment sooner :/
Thanks again for your offer of assistance..................
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:42 am

PainlessWolf wrote:Herman!
Following along because as you know, "We did not choose the StuG Life...It chose us!"
regards,
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It seems to have chosen me once again eh !!!
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:51 am

EAO wrote:Herman,

Thats a very interesting Stug to replicate. Another build worth watching...just saying! :D

Cheers,
Eric.


Thanks Mr E, it certainly has a lot going on.
Right now, Im making a plan on what gadgets & gear will fill the void between the outer schurzen and the actual armour.
The late war Stugs with pendulum schurzen had close fitting sloped panels on the casemate sides, no room to bung any kit there.
These ones seem to be spaced very wide off the casemate with leading edge panels that close in to the front casemate edges, loads of space to chuck what-have-you's into !
I'm assuming the stowage normally located on the rear deck is stuffed in here, or, could be further augmentation to protection by using wooden beams, jerry cans full of dirt, spare track runs, who knows what else :think:
Any ideas folks, feel free to chime in with suggestions ;)
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Fri Feb 04, 2022 12:20 am

After looking at the Panzer Wrecks pictures over and over, I keep finding little details that are not 'normal' each time.
The right side drive sprocket has a late bolted hub centre- the left side has the early smooth profiled cover.
The front upper armour over the driver and gunners heads has what appears to be concrete or steel shot deflectors added to eliminate the flat face at the joint of the sloping section where it touches the roof front.
I'm working on steel due to the relatively small section visible. Concrete would have been far to fragile in that size.
This one has no evidence of a barrel travel lock being ever fitted next to the Notec light.
This one has the normal G towing attachments which dont have the little dropped profiles on the underside which I assume is to thicken the area under the clevis hole.
The bolted armour plates over the driver and gunners positions are not bolted, that is the drivers vision block has holes but no bolts, the other side has no holes. I assume they were welded in place and the bolts cut off ??
Not a single visible link of spare track anywhere on it. Could be the stuff they had was wedged in the gap between the schurzen and the casemate, but from the pictures I will never know.
Other vehicles in the same unit showed profound amounts of track and T34 track as extra armour, but why not this one ? There is not even any evidence of hanging points for any.

So ??....................simple tank project I said :/ :crazy: :crazy:
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Postby Jussek » Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:23 am

heya, herman, i will follow this with interest

for the saukopf take a look also at mk-modellbau, is this item?

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in the page it says it's for a stug iV

https://mk-modellbau.de/main_bigware_34 ... degenerate

they have also this

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https://mk-modellbau.de/main_bigware_34 ... degenerate

well, you can contact Martin at info@mk-modellbau.de and ask about your needs

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:08 am

Thanks Mr Jussek, thats what Im after.
Got one coming from Germany now from Tank Modelblau.De. Carsten.
This specific StuG was fitted with the mount for the remote M.G. but not the working unit.
It has the funky spaced armour M.G. shield laid flat on the roof. That will be a build by itself to get looking right !

I could have probably made a Saukopf out of the box mantlet if I had to, but for a bit of a wait, and $27AUD, why not get it right ??

Thanks for looking in mate
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:26 am

Now I have a box of removed bits on one side, and the empty carcass of the Stug on the other :/
Ive filled the hull penetrations and removed the bolt heads from the lower hull glacis plate.
I tore off, yes tore, the bolted plate off the upper glacis as no matter what glue de-bonder I used, it did not work.
Jammed a screwdriver into the joint & got my twist on :shifty:
Paid the price for that, but its off, repaired, and now a thin 0.5mm section of styrene over the mess to recreate the look of the later front hull armour.
Mr Mcq11 did this process on his winter Stug a while back, but used a Taigen lower hull.
Its the only way to get the later thicker armour to look right.
Im staying with the H/L hull due to simple economic sense of not shelling out on poor currency rate and high postage down here. :/

Things like the tools molded on the guards will be ground off & replaced by others with a better look & left over PE sprue brackets.
Most of that wont be seen behind the schurzen anyway.
I was intending to do the conventional Zimmerit with a hot screwdriver, but I may go another route(NOT Atak) yet.

Lots to do even though its a small machine
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:22 pm

Bit much re on the lower hull today.
A lot of grinding off and sanding to get the thing looking right.
Again the mini-vac was the best tool in the house !
The track tension units were fitted a lot easier this time than on my Krieg-Schwein StuG ages ago, I had the drilling template this time.
I’ve had bits for this for 3 years & not paid any attention to them as I gathered other bits along the way as they came up.
Now I find out that the idler wheels I have don’t fit the tensioner’s :-<
Some minor engineering required to overcome that. No replacement parts available down here so adapt and overcome it will be.
Also found the road wheel tyres are perished :wtf:
Again , I know I can get replacements but only from overseas and not in a day or so.
One half of one road wheel is also missing. I be assume at the time I bought them, years ago, new and open the bag to find half an F’n wheel missing :-<

It’s like me doing 3 Russian tanks in a row has upset someone!!
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:02 pm

Seeing the images of the barebones hull reminds me of the StuG 111 rebuild underway at the Australian Armour & Artillery Museum. I've been following all their recent offerings; but the StuG build offers an interesting insight into the original construction (especially welding) techniques. :thumbup: You've probably seen this already, HB, but if not...
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