RAMSCHAUFELPANZER PANTHER

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:54 pm

ronnie42 wrote:Herman You have opened a can of worms giving details of the different tool racks over time and factory variations. : All we need is the Panther getting some early or mid versions just like the Tiger. Like the brass work, how about putting a worm gear on the plough that would be a real rc first in tank land.


I reckon that site can be considered proof enough that the early, mid and lates exist and are quite distinct.
There are even distinct versions of each model. There are early D, mid D and late D . Early G, mid G and of course mate G versions.
Early A ( which are Ds with new cupolas, ) and late A.
D and A with different armour types, interlocking lug differences, and of course the tool rack style, positions & attachment method.
Who’d of thunk !!!
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Postby STHV » Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:44 am

The A was not just a cupola change it was a general turret redesign, Look at the sides of the trunion housing, Ausf D has a C shape that extended out from the housing whereas the A had a thinner C shape/bevelled edge that went inwards

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The number of changes made during production of each variant is just bonkers
It must have been a nightmare for maintenance crews
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:19 am

Sure must have been . Panthers of all versions were still in frontline service right to the end too, so no respite from the pressure to keep them in the line,
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Postby c.rainford73 » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:16 pm

Well Done Herman such a special and unique build :clap:
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Postby Von Mooflesaaa » Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:18 pm

Simply loving this build, cannot wait to see it come to life and move.
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:46 am

c.rainford73 wrote:Well Done Herman such a special and unique build :clap:


Cheers Mr Rainford, its a good feeling to create an oddity...............you would know with 2 hetzers ;)
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:47 am

Von Mooflesaaa wrote:Simply loving this build, cannot wait to see it come to life and move.


Me too mate, want to push piles of stuff around to see how it goes !
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:04 pm

PRIMER !! :thumbup: :thumbup:
Nothing like it for defining progress.
All the pins & chains are on, and there are a few :/
The last of the mock rivets on the blade are now secured, just need trimming to finish, then primer.
Its goin ok now.....................
Yellow asap ;)
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Postby Jimster » Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:19 pm

Nice! It looks as if it’s sitting at the tank factory awaiting it’s final coat of paint.

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Postby Von Mooflesaaa » Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:55 pm

It's really coming together. I will say I am beyond impressed with that dozer blade. Some serious skill went into making and mounting that.

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:52 am

Von Mooflesaaa wrote:It's really coming together. I will say I am beyond impressed with that dozer blade. Some serious skill went into making and mounting that.

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Thanks for the credit Mr Von Moof, it sure turned out better once completed than I hoped.
As long as the mounts are solid, thats a win :thumbup:
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:13 am

Made a special blended Dark yellow from XF-60 and XF-57 in a 50-50% mix.
As I like to wash quite heavily and this of course darkens the overall finish , so a very much lighter base coat helps to offset this !
Part of the 'ginning' around was to get the panzer putty on the turret where I planned to have missing zimmerit patches.
Not as many as my F05 Tiger, but still enough to represent a turret that has had a bit going on......

Once that was dry, I used another blended brew of MIg AK 716 and XF-58 greens heavily thinned.
The pictures of the real machine from the front seem to show broad bands of cam colour with narrow bands of dark yellow base, or thats my eye anyway.
I managed to get the hull into camo before a storm came through..............normally I'd not care to mention it, but here at the moment, the driving rain brings as much satisfaction as a week in Vegas on hookers & cocaine :shifty: :shh: ............so they tell me.

If the storm blows over, and unfortunately they do all too quickly, I might be able to get the cam on the turret.
It will be significantly different to the hull pattern though. The real pics show a zimmerit free hull with a classic zimm covered turret, so no doubt they are from different machines.
I cut a thin sheet of cardboard in half, and cut a semi circle into each middle end.
Slid both halves under the turret and added some old newspaper to form a mask.
That will allow complete freedom to paint the pattern on the turret without any overspray onto the hull.
Then it will be panzer putty off.
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:21 am

Jimster wrote:Nice! It looks as if it’s sitting at the tank factory awaiting it’s final coat of paint.


Well, it kind of is !!
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Postby Wildboar44 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:43 am

Real nice balance of colours Mr Bix , cant wait to see how the wash blends them in . Top Job so far .
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Postby Tiger6 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:43 am

HERMAN BIX wrote:The real pics show a zimmerit free hull with a classic zimm covered turret, so no doubt they are from different machines.


Not necessarily true 8| - the Zimeritt was applied to the turrets as they completed build and waited for assembly to a tank. Consequently there was a number of zimeritted turrets on hand in the various factories when the instructions to cease appilication were recieved.
Kampfgruppe Peiper had at least 2 examples (202, made by Daimler, and 152 made by MAN) with this configuration during the Ardennes fighting :thumbup:

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:21 pm

Tiger6 wrote:
HERMAN BIX wrote:The real pics show a zimmerit free hull with a classic zimm covered turret, so no doubt they are from different machines.


Not necessarily true 8| - the Zimeritt was applied to the turrets as they completed build and waited for assembly to a tank. Consequently there was a number of zimeritted turrets on hand in the various factories when the instructions to cease appilication were recieved.
Kampfgruppe Peiper had at least 2 examples (202, made by Daimler, and 152 made by MAN) with this configuration during the Ardennes fighting :thumbup:


Fair call, perhaps the same thing in reverse where a 'D' hull produced before the order to add zimmerit was issued was mated to a turret that happened to be after the application order by the time they both made the assembly line ?
With these being the nations most important and new weapons, and with resources & support still fairly good, zimm would have been available relatively easily.
Although, being 'D's I'm making an assumption that they(this) were assembled & zimmerit'd together(normally) but this specific combination of turret & hull was the result of a repair in the rear area. And Im leaning towards a post hostilities version more and more.
Why put a seemingly fine Panther into a subservient role when it might have been more use with a gun ?
Burning precious fuel pushing rubble around ?
Why not a Stadtgas fueled machine at best ?
Why use more support resource to remove the gun instead of just loading ammo it & sending it to the very close front ?

Could be I'm over thinking it !!! :crazy:
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Postby Tiger6 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:33 pm

Given that your subject is in Nurenburg, its entirely possible that it was a mild steel prototype test vehicle from the local MAN factory and therefore no use for fighting?

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:43 pm

Tiger6 wrote:Given that your subject is in Nurenburg, its entirely possible that it was a mild steel prototype test vehicle from the local MAN factory and therefore no use for fighting?


I'm going a D.B. ;)
A whole lot of could be's thats for sure......... :think:
Thats what makes this thing a must-build !
My last Panther was also a conundrum, I have to stop picking things I cant prove or disprove !!! :crazy:
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:45 pm

Wildboar44 wrote:Real nice balance of colours Mr Bix , cant wait to see how the wash blends them in . Top Job so far .


Thanks Mr Boar, that front plate is not my choice of pattern, but it sure looks close to the period picture.
Appreciate the comments mate.
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Postby ronnie42 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:02 pm

Would say Tiger6 is spot on cant see a gunners sight or mg hole in the Mantlet. Can you find a better pic to check.

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