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FEHRMANN GRUPPE TIGER 05

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:40 pm

Well fellas, had some time away to get things in order here, and regain my 'social skills'..............
One thing that can be a bad idea is being in a negative frame of mind & unintentionally take that out on an unsuspecting person that pushes the big-red-button !

Ive had a few "renovators dream" tanks fall out of the sky recently.
One of which is an old Tiger 1 in poor condition.
I decided to do a representation of what K.G. Shulze(Fehrmann) Tiger 05 may have looked like.
Now there are a lot of varying opinions on the unit centering around its vehicle markings, and the seemingly odd mix and condition of the machines in it.
I choose to believe that the 'F' (number) turret numbers were to designate that the unit Tigers were from the training school at Fallingbostel.
Tiger 02 did end up back there for repairs after a Piat strike, so I am going to take historic plausibility and say that the unit was not marked for Fehrmann, as Shulze was actually the one in charge, but for its origin in Fallingbostel..............only God actually knows, so hows about I just run with that & ask him if I see him eh ;)

No known pictures of Tiger 05 exist up to now, so its going to be a degree of what was likely rather than actual fact.

Its going to have Zimmerit and no stowage bin, early wheels, late tracks, no tools in the clamps, and things like that.
Makes sense that a training tank would have had all non-essential hardware removed and sent to one that needs it more.
We know they were 'earlies' with steel wheels and rubber rimmed early wheels, so another supposition for me is that the rubber rimmed machines were the actual training tanks, and the steel wheeled machines turning up there to boost the numbers out of damaged repaired tanks later on. Early hulls, late running gear & tracks, early turrets.

This will probably have a mako 17 and piranha unit in it as a battler with no extra details to knock off................

Lets go :thumbup:
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Postby Aussie » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:20 am

This should be good.

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:53 am

!...........a rough canvas for sure.
Gearbox mounts broken off is the biggest pain.
I will try and recover them, but at a pinch I will buy a new H/L lower for $14 and be done with it !

No one has the steel wheels in stock here now. Only the early metal rubber tyred ones, so as this can actually be considered plausibly accurate in this configuration, thats what its going to get, but with late tracks(if I can even get those here) :/
I do prefer the steel wheels though, but it is what it is.
No way Im importing anything for an 'Ersatz' build like this :eh:

Righto...............we're on.
Get the thing apart, and slice the hatches off. - check
Hack the mud guards off - check
Grind the tools off - check
Fill in the holes as required - check
Rip the exhausts off the rear plate - check

Love the hack N slash part of a project................... :shifty:
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Postby Estnische » Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:23 pm

Don'tcha just love the smell of HL dust in the morning?

The $14 for a lower hull makes you smile though and ask how much am I really saving. I'm planning on using my plastic lower hull from the Panther, but then I think about all the features I'd get with a Taigen metal hull....
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:34 pm

If I can make this sows ear into a silk purse........then back into a sows ear, then mission accomplished !!

The K.G. Shulze unit with its Panthers and '251's was ill fated, but there is something about it :problem:
A bit like the K.G. Nickolusi- Leck Jagdpanther unit .

I have a Taigen metal barrel & mantlet set on the way, but I need to find a Taigen elevation/recoil unit too if anyone has one stashed :D
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:45 pm

Estnische wrote:Don'tcha just love the smell of HL dust in the morning?

The $14 for a lower hull makes you smile though and ask how much am I really saving. I'm planning on using my plastic lower hull from the Panther, but then I think about all the features I'd get with a Taigen metal hull....



My Ryobi loves H/L plastic !!


I agree on the metal hull concept, but its still simple cost/benefit.
How much you use it, how much you are prepared to work on a standard one to keep it running V's an all metal one............
I have all metal running gear on all my tanks, but retain the plastic hulls.
Outside of wishing I had installed good quality tensioners in them, all of them are intact without fault.
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Postby Tiggr » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:56 pm

However you get there to the finished beast is good any which way Mr B
The end result is always a pleasure to behold.

Following along.
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Postby c.rainford73 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:32 am

Lovely work Mr Bix :clap: following along....
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Postby Soeren » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:02 am

Following along. I have a Taigen "late" Tiger. That still has enough inaccuracies and metal Turret , making mods to the turret difficult. So I had imagined to by an early turret plastic mod that a bit and go the Fehrmann route as well.
The more I see of the german tanks, especially the earlier designs, seem to be modified -in field- to allow use in the "postapocalyptic" setting in the later months of the war. Fehrmann group is a prime example.

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:52 am

Soeren wrote:Following along. I have a Taigen "late" Tiger. That still has enough inaccuracies and metal Turret , making mods to the turret difficult. So I had imagined to by an early turret plastic mod that a bit and go the Fehrmann route as well.
The more I see of the german tanks, especially the earlier designs, seem to be modified -in field- to allow use in the "postapocalyptic" setting in the later months of the war. Fehrmann group is a prime example.


From all accounts by experts, the Tigers in K.G. Fehrmann were unremarkable, normal earlies but some with late steel wheels & tracks, missing many accessories, and typical of machines picked over for bits needed by combat tanks.
I have seen a more confusing Tiger with late running gear, PzIV turret bin, late cupola, and Feifel cans in white wash !!! :crazy:

The need to train crews still existed regardless of the ever more desperate strategic situation, and the Fallingbostal school must have been seen as a vital institution.
Not having operated a T1, I can only guess that the principles of fighting a T1 did not differ wildly from a T2 so the products of crew training even with the minimum of time would have been worth having these older and repaired machines in the background.
Its the mysterious numbering, the folklore of the unit being 'Fehrmann' rather than Shulze, and the interesting variations of each Tiger that seems to kindle the flames in the modeling community.

I got into the exhaust mods today. I want to have the tubes exposed with no guards fitted.
As the mounting of these by H/L is not conducive to a simple clean remodel, some alterations are required.
I filled in the screw holes on the armoured shrouds and the exhausts.
Once dry, I shaped a bit of brass tube (toobe for you left hand drivers!)and secured these into the exhausts poking into the proper outlet below the covers.
Carved out a bit of scrap to fill in the gap, filled the cavity with PVA and then super glued the strips into the voids.
I will alter the rear plate to allow correct positioning of these and texture the armoured shrouds.
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Postby c.rainford73 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:26 pm

HERMAN BIX wrote:
Soeren wrote:Following along. I have a Taigen "late" Tiger. That still has enough inaccuracies and metal Turret , making mods to the turret difficult. So I had imagined to by an early turret plastic mod that a bit and go the Fehrmann route as well.
The more I see of the german tanks, especially the earlier designs, seem to be modified -in field- to allow use in the "postapocalyptic" setting in the later months of the war. Fehrmann group is a prime example.


From all accounts by experts, the Tigers in K.G. Fehrmann were unremarkable, normal earlies but some with late steel wheels & tracks, missing many accessories, and typical of machines picked over for bits needed by combat tanks.
I have seen a more confusing Tiger with late running gear, PzIV turret bin, late cupola, and Feifel cans in white wash !!! :crazy:

The need to train crews still existed regardless of the ever more desperate strategic situation, and the Fallingbostal school must have been seen as a vital institution.
Not having operated a T1, I can only guess that the principles of fighting a T1 did not differ wildly from a T2 so the products of crew training even with the minimum of time would have been worth having these older and repaired machines in the background.
Its the mysterious numbering, the folklore of the unit being 'Fehrmann' rather than Shulze, and the interesting variations of each Tiger that seems to kindle the flames in the modeling community.

I got into the exhaust mods today. I want to have the tubes exposed with no guards fitted.
As the mounting of these by H/L is not conducive to a simple clean remodel, some alterations are required.
I filled in the screw holes on the armoured shrouds and the exhausts.
Once dry, I shaped a bit of brass tube (toobe for you left hand drivers!)and secured these into the exhausts poking into the proper outlet below the covers.
Carved out a bit of scrap to fill in the gap, filled the cavity with PVA and then super glued the strips into the voids.
I will alter the rear plate to allow correct positioning of these and texture the armoured shrouds.
Very nice Mr Herman These unique Tigers always have my interest. Nice exhaust work
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:07 pm

Now the Zim question had to be answered...................
Putty ?
Pre made stick on ?
Alternative ?

Not sure.
Got none.
Guess thats it then.........

Decided to do the hot-tip screw driver :shifty:
Had a go on the lower hull to see how it went.
Was ok, and to describe.........consistently inconsistent.
I was going for a partial factory- partial field applied look, with wear that should be normal with a well used hull/turret combo.
Im no 'Atak' but the effect will do for this kid.

All Blacks had another win, the 'Argies were harder than the back wall of a firing range, but we got there.
Life-for now-is happy.....................
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Postby Soeren » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:36 pm

Awesome, the pattern looks fantastic. Question, is it pronounced or recessed to tha background?

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:41 pm

It is raised, yes.
Displacing the surface has left the pattern pronounced.
The technique does 'stress relieve' the surface though, tending to bend the flat sections toward the Zim .
The sections of damaged Zim are well and truly smooth leaving the melted sections coarse and raised.

It works, yes it does
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Postby Soeren » Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:08 pm

You ground away on the hull flats after applying the zim?

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Postby c.rainford73 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:46 pm

Look very convincing mateHow long does this whole process take? I've never tried it but like it much better than the stick on plaster type. I've seen the milliput style and yours is just as nice !!!

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:03 pm

Soeren wrote:You ground away on the hull flats after applying the zim?

No Sir, I marked the area with a pencil and worked towards them using the edge of the screwdriver to make a partial impression.
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:09 pm

c.rainford73 wrote:Look very convincing mateHow long does this whole process take? I've never tried it but like it much better than the stick on plaster type. I've seen the milliput style and yours is just as nice !!!

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Thanks Mr Rainford.
It does take a while but I'm guessing the same time as any other method.
I don't have to worry about the putty being too thick or the stick on stuff peeling off!
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:30 am

In keeping with the theme of a training tank sent to fight, the turret bin had to go.
No student tank crew I can think of has the need to store gear in a machine they are only going to be in for 5 minutes !! :eh:

The obvious issue with the elevation unit that H/L put in there can be solved by using a Taigen recoil/elevation ensemble.
Still uncertain what electronics will go in, but I have a couple of mako systems I got as part of an unfortunate estate sale deal, so one of them will go in should I only go with a multi-sound H/L system.

Sliced the bin off and filled the gap with a trusty Emirates bag tag :think:
Scored the inside to help it curve, sanded the turret interior to key gel super glue in place.
After discovering my putty has gone off in the tube, it will be filled once I get out to get more.
Once the gap is filled with putty and dry, it can sand back well enough to blend in, and the paint(in this area red primer only) will do the rest.
I may place mounting brackets on the turret in position to represent the bin taken off for use on another machine.
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:23 pm

Took the pistol port and loaders escape hatch off.
Carried on with the zim work, and got the new barrel assembly from Tank Army .
Im hanging to get this into primer !
The drivers port was replaced with a metal one(I forgot I had :{ ) and covered with filler to get the zim effect.
Its messy & disjointed, but it will run.............
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