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Postby Wildboar44 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:50 pm

Restored today

1- Reading that book
2- Making the first of the changes !

Thanks for watching 8)
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Postby Wildboar44 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:43 pm

Restored today

1-Beginning of the Turret Mid-Production Modifications.

More to follow, thanks for watching. :thumbup:
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Postby Wildboar44 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:38 am

Updated Today

Lowering the Heng long turret upstand base for a Mid-Late Commander Cupola :thumbup: :crazy:
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Postby Jimster » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:47 am

Wrong post.

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Postby Wildboar44 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:06 am

Jimster wrote:Wrong post.


Dang... almost honoured by Greatness :'(
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Postby Jimster » Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:45 am

ha ha. Your modeling abilities are miles above my bumbling efforts. I simply posted another response in the wrong thread and I blame cheap American whiskey. You certainly may wear greatness with pride. I really enjoy this thread.

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Postby ronnie42 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:27 am

Wonderful update , was asking on forum about fitting the later cupola as it looked too high. Now i can get started on the tiger again. This updated build will be 1st place i look if i need help.

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Postby Ludwig von wigbearer » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:22 pm

Totally amazing, well done :clap: :thumbup:

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Postby Wildboar44 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:58 pm

Jimster wrote:ha ha. Your modeling abilities are miles above my bumbling efforts. I simply posted another response in the wrong thread and I blame cheap American whiskey. You certainly may wear greatness with pride. I really enjoy this thread.


Hey Mr Jim, honestly I fully admire what you have done, I went along with the crowd down the mid-Late route, you went the early route which is to be commended as its not so easy and less supported with ready to wear add ons. I like your workmanship, I really do.

As for the Whiskey, cheap or expensive, I find its all good after the fourth tot, you just get Zooshed quicker with the good stuff...bottoms up :)
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Postby Wildboar44 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:58 pm

ronnie42 wrote:Wonderful update , was asking on forum about fitting the later cupola as it looked too high. Now i can get started on the tiger again. This updated build will be 1st place i look if i need help.

Ludwig von wigbearer wrote:Totally amazing, well done :clap: :thumbup:

Hi ronnie, Hi Ludwig,
I still consider myself an apprentice at RC Tanking who was fortunate enough to start when there were and still are are much greater skilled members of this forum, who's imput and sharing has provided solutions and build options to many of the typical challenges facing all of us who wish to put Historic detail or greater performance modifications into our builds. I can honestly say I can only carry out what i have done through their willingness to help by showing us what can be acheived, I am grateful to them all.

ronnie, my build is certainly not a number 1, that title(s) IMHO for the Tiger 1 goes to these build thread's I consider as Bibles. These are relatively complete with photo's not defaced by Photofudgitt Ltd

tanks_for_the_memory Building a Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=8350
Red Devils 507 schwere Heeres Panzer Abteiling, Mid Prod Tiger 1
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=9711
HERMAN BIX "WHITE TIGER"
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=12185

The following whilst not Tiger 1 related these are superb detailed build diaries also from HERMAN BIX that are as inspirational as they are informative.

HERMAN BIX PANTHER G ZU-FUSS
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=14376
HERMAN BIX BERLIN BUSTER T34/85 'BEDSPRING'
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=17735
HERMAN BIX HERMANS 'GERMAN SHERMAN' PZIV F2 'B11'
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=19363

Study these buddy and you will be gifted with as much knowledge and inspiration as I have.

Gordon :thumbup:

My sincere apologies if I have offended anyone by not mentioning their build. Finding complete examples of build diaries is hard and I wish I could have mentioned many more super detailed diaries in this post. I just hope it helps others out. Thank you.
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Postby Markocaster » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:10 am

This is great. I loved your build diary it was a huge inspiration and very helpful. Lot of great pics


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Postby Wildboar44 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:25 am

Markocaster wrote:This is great. I loved your build diary it was a huge inspiration and very helpful. Lot of great pics


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Your welcome buddy, as soon as some long awaited parts arrive (next week ?) I should be able to start the project up again :thumbup:
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Postby Wildboar44 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:27 pm

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Summary of what is do be done to the Hull :)


So we are bang up to date, took the boxes down from the garage shelves and assembled all the bits and bob's purchased along the way, trouble is and im sure we all do it ?, I cant seem to remember where some accessories are, hope I will remember! The Hull was painted with a base coat of Tamiya XF-60 Dark yellow which does not seem to have weathered too well in storage. There is a sticky residue on the surface which I think may be as the result of an exploding can of WD40 on the work bench a few years back, the Hull will need stripping I think and starting again.
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So we begin again. Click for larger image

Although the drive sprockets and rear idlers are metal, the road wheels are the original Heng Long plastic fitted to the tank out of the box, they will be swopped out for Metal road wheels with rubber tyres. Same goes for the tracks, currently these fitted are "early" style metal tracks which on the real Tiger 1's from October 1943 onward were re-modelled to include cast Ice cleats in the cross bar rather than bolt on extra cleats at each end. So I will need to purchase a set of Late style metal tracks to complete the running gear.
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Plastic original road wheels and early style tracks. Click for larger image

Managed to pick up a correct scale 2metre aerial for the right hull aerial socket. The Reference is Aber 16-032, this will be fitted last in the build.
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Aber Scale aerial in brass. Click for large image

I have decided to fit a working convoy light. This one is green, I have also seen blue. What is the correct colour I have not been able to establish, hopefully someone will know as I have one of each.
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Working green convoy light or should it be blue ?
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Picked up from a model fare for a bargin a few years ago, these Aber sets for the Tow cables (16-030) and the gun cleaning rods (16-025) should keep me out the pub for a while. will be intersting to see how they are put together as some features are brass proto etched parts for the clamps. Another first for me :S
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Aber Tow cable and gun barrel cleaning set
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Now this bit gets interesting, while I was scanning ebay I came across a few items up for sale made by Hachette Partworks Circa 2010 . These as many know were a 140(ish) part weekly issue magazine build for a 1/16th scale Tiger Late model. Some of the parts can be integrated into the Heng Long Tiger Mid-Production very well including this Late model engine deck with all the bits in the right place ie... locking latches in front of lifting handles not under them, correct shape engine vent cap lug and holding latch in correct position more to the right. Comes with Mid-Late air intake more to scale (ish) and as a bonus you can make it an opening engine deck if you use the hinge peg lugs. Earlier In this build I re-modelled the engine deck to replicate a Mid-production example, this Hachette can be grafted straight in with the same basic level of build skills that i have, I would say it is a simpler fix. This was issue 22, not bad for £5.00 inc post (6 Euro/ $7)
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Hachette Mid - Late engine deck set Issue 22. click for larger image

Also picked at the same time were these Hachette metal radiator grill covers with working latches Issue 23 Ebay £4.50. You could make these opening to place switches under them in a similar way the on/off switch are under the front opening hatches. I dont think you could have both the opening Engine deck AND the Opening pair of radiator grill covers as they would take too much material out of the hull top..but Im working on it B| , will be giving it some thought, have this idea of a dummy engine when opening the engine deck and dummy radiator & fans which are actually switches ?? Hmmmm.
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Hachette opening Radiator vent grills and latches. Issue 23


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Oh and proof that you should not go internet surfing with a credit card and a tummy ripe with Whiskey... Voyager Brass PE set. Purchased for the Tool clamps initially but the more I look the more I want to make. The real fine scale Mid-late air intake looks promising as does the jack assembly, I just need to learn how to hold my breath for 2 minutes again oh and definately an alchohol free zone !
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Mid Production Brass photo etch set 1/16 from Voyager. Click for larger image

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Even Bosch lettering for the single headlight. how cool is that ! Click for larger image


One last change is... I discovered only recently something I had overlooked...the aerial tube on the right hull should be slightly raised above the deck. So jarndice thank you for pointing this out, re-built it will be.
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How the aerial stowage tube should look like,raised slightly above hull. Click for larger image




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Thanks for watching, next upload will be the work left on the Turret :thumbup:

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Postby Wildboar44 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:27 pm

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This is what is left for the Turret Modifications
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This is the meaning of the term Obsession...

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The meaning of obsession
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And this is what Obsession looks like when it takes hold and wont let go ! :crazy:

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And this is just for the Turret Mod's. Click for larger image


So just to prove how obsession works, I purchase a complete Tamiya Tiger 1 1/16th Static model Sprue Part B just so i can cut out the hatch opening frame from the top of the Turret just to go with my Lid which is the correct scale (It came with Tamiya Sprue Part F ). No really im sane..honest :S
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Tamiya Tiger 1 Sprue B. Click for larger image

When Tanks-for-the-memory mentioned in his build the Hachette Commander Mid Production Cupola I always thought these parts were long since un-avaialble. Once I found my engine Hatches on Ebay I kept an eye out for the availability of other Hachette part's, mainly I was after Issue 12 which has the Correct Cupola and associated parts. It took a few years and was found it in a parts bin on a stall at Military Odessey, best £3 I have spent. I will detail both the metal Asiatam/Taigen example and the Hachette version as both need work to look correct and I decide which one to use.
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Hachette Issue 12. Click for larger image

The Schumo Turret Vent and loader Periscope cover were in the original plan to install as was the Schumo MG34 on its AA mount. I managed to pick up the Brass opening escape hatch from RCTank.de. It will take a little working out how to install and some thought of what it should show looking inside but it will be a nice touch. Oh and the plastic grey Turret Hatch locating ring ?, thats also from Tamiya Tiger 1 Sprue F ( its also has the plastic Hatch Lid )
Working opening escape hatch. Fine detail Schumo Turret vent. Periscope cover and MG34.jpg
Working opening escape hatch. Fine detail Schumo Turret vent. Periscope cover and MG34. Click for larger image

The Turret Bin from Tamiya will need to be grafted onto the Heng Long Turret. The Tamiya Tiger 1 Sprue F has the lid, Sprue H has the Bin box and GunMantlet. The Voyager PE Brass kit has some latches and hinges that will be added for detailling.
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Tamiya Turret Bin from Sprue H, Bin top from Sprue F. Click for larger image

These are Schumo Turret side Track holders with Asiatam spare tracks. They are a nice fine detailed set and come with a paper Template for siting.
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Schumo Track Holders and Asiatam spare track links. Click for larger image

The Turret will be fitted with a Recoil unit, it was purchased as a BB tank in its original form. The slight problem is the fact that the Mantlet that is supplied with the recoil unit is more or less a copy of the HL again without the correct offsett. I have a choice of using a Tamiya Mantlet or an Atak Mantlet that came with the Zimmerit kit which both have the correct offset of the barrel within the Mantlet. grafting these correct offset Mantlet's may prove a challange !
A - is the metal full length barrel with brass muzzle within the Asiatam Mantlet
B - is the original HL BB barrel ( Note how much shorter it is moulded in the recoil position)
C - is a Tamiya Mantlet ( This again is from Tamiya Tiger 1 Sprue Part H) with correct offset
D - This is the Atak Mantlet provided with the Zimmerit kit again with correct offset.
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Choices Choices A to D. Click for larger image

This Turret will be fitted with Zimmerit from the Atak's Tiger 1 Mid-Production Kit. IMHO with the horizontal split in order to separate the HL Turret in two halves you simply wont have many other choices. It will also make fitting the Schumo Turret track holders a lot easier, I have seen a few comment's on the use of Atak Zimmerit which IMHO are mis-placed, as the saying goes, necessity is the mother of invention.
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Atak Zimmerit Kit. Click for larger image

This is the one part of RC tanking I understand the least. Electronic's and the compatability issue's, I cant even remember if there was an instruction leaflet with this, if I did it is long gone. This is the Asiatam Recoil unit I will use to convert this BB version to recoil. I'm not even sure if it is compatable with the current crop of Clark TK control unit's that I would like to use.
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Asiatam 2013 Recoil unit




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Well that's the build thread up to date, everything now on will be fresh new content. Just a little thing called Christmas to get through and we should be up and running again. Thanks for watching, :thumbup: next update will be detailing the Both the Asiatam and Hachette Commander Cupola. :wave:



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Postby Jimster » Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:32 am

I have read that contrary to some beliefs, the convoy lights were green. Not blue. I can’t back this up with a solid reference right now but I believed it enough to go with green on my initial production Tiger 1.

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Postby Wildboar44 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:05 pm

Jimster wrote:I have read that contrary to some beliefs, the convoy lights were green. Not blue. I can’t back this up with a solid reference right now but I :'( believed it enough to go with green on my initial production Tiger 1.


Thanks Mr Jim. I'm plugging for green too. Other than a Notek rear light , the glass cylindrical versions I like yourself cant find any solid proof of what is correct for what vehicle or period :'(
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Postby jarndice » Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:32 pm

I have been following the discussion on the colour of the rear Convoy light on Tiger1s for years on this and other Forums,
A definitive answer is offered only for an alternative definitive answer being given shortly after followed by a definitive rebuttal and so the discussion continues ad nauseum.
I fear the passage of time may deny the definitive truth ever being discovered and so you may as well make your choice certain that you are as likely to be right as you are to be wrong. :lolno:
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Postby Wildboar44 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:04 am

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When I started my build there were not many options for a Travel Lock for the Mid-Productions Tiger 1. Ludwig-Hobbie-de has one on his website but it was a little out of scale for me to use. I ended up making one out of brass as styrene would seem to flimsy. I was mooching around the internet over Chritmas and I came across these cast alloy Travel Locks from Hagan Minitures-de. They were not on there German Website but on their sister company on Ebay imperial-modellbau.
I must say for a few Euro's they are pretty good and worth buying if you dont want to fabricate one. Sadly though, the cast chain they come with broke at the slightest attempt to bend it with or without heating :(
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Tiger 1 Travel Lock 1/16th Scale

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Tiger 1 Travel Lock 1/16th Scale


An alternative to Correcting the Heng Long Tiger 1 Turret :: Ludwigs-Hobbie-de Correction Kit

When I corrected the offset Turret on my Heng Long Tiger 1 I adopted the cuttings and grafting method to re-position the turret in its correct location. Although this kit was available then, I was not aware it was available from Ludwig until all my work was done. I have listed it here as I think for those not confident about cutting up their pride and joy it is a great kit that works without the hacking about. http://www.ludwigs-hobby-seite.de/Tiger1zubehoer.html
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Ludwig-Hobbie-de Correction Kit


Instructions
http://www.ludwigs-hobby-seite.de/Bauan ... dapter.pdf
These are in German but you cant follow the pictures to see how clever this kit is 8)


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Postby Wildboar44 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:45 pm

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So today was a chance to add the Commander Cupola. I decided to use the Hachette example as the Schumo periscopes fit almost perfect and the cupola has a base plate that has locating pegs for an easier install. The height of the cupola needs reducing slightly which does present a few challenge's as it not one but two parts that need altering and those changes will affect the mounting of the periscopes , but as below its a simple fix.

1-The Turret base was left in a 50/50 solution of water and Dettol ( House hold disinfectant )to remove all traces of Acrylic paint and cellulose primer.
2-The Hachette Cupola seems to have the correct scale height and shape/angle of periscope covers but does lack a few details missing (And one to be removed). I would estimate from photo's that about 1mm/1.5mm needs to be removed to lower the Cupola the a (near) correct height.
3-The base plate does feature these locating pegs which make mouting easier as I wont have to fabricate an upstand collar to fix the cupola down.
4-These are the two parts that need to be lowered by the same amount.

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Hachette Cupola. Click for larger image


5-By placing a sheet of P400 wet and dry abrasive on a flat surface the Cupola base was honed down placing pressure evenly all around.
6-The base now sits inside the Cupola top by just a little more than 1.0mm or so.
7-Carefully cut off the Cupola lid base locating tube as neat as possible as you will need to glue this back on after honing.
8-Repeat the honing on the Cupola Top until both the base and top of the Cupola are flush.

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Honing down Cupola base with P400 wet and dry. Click for larger image


9-So now that the Cuploa had been lowered the Cupola top now sits flush with the mounting base, this has created the desired effect but sets another challenge !
10-The 7 Periscopes from the Schumo KT0038 - 1:16 King Tiger set ( Yes King Tiger) they fit a treat and the loaders periscope is superb (But more on that later)
11-The Periscopes just simply drop straight in the slot for a perfect fit.
12-But the Cupola base plate now that its lower cannot sit on its locating pins as there is no room for the periscopes :(

Hachette Cupola lowerd now fouling periscopes.jpg
Lowered Cupola now fouling Periscopes. Click for larger image.


13-With a sharp knife and a file remove these tabs all the way around the Cupola base. They should all look like this once you have filed/cut the tabs off.
14-Now all the tabs have been altered the Periscopes fit a treat with the Cupola base holding them all in. They are loose for now.
15-16- The Periscopes are framed perfectly inside the loops. After painting they will be installed.

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Removing tabs from base to allow Periscopes to fit.
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17-The inside of the Turret roof was sanded down for a good key to bond a styrene base plate too.
18-The styrene base plate is 2.0mm thick and it is important to leave enough working room around the turret bin area as later on I intend to remake the back wall of the Turret bit when I cut off the Heng Long one and add the Tamiya one.
19-Using a Jakar compass cutter the missing circular section of the turret roof was cut.The outside diametre matching the old upstand aperture and the inner circle a few millimetre's smaller than the centre hole of the Cupola base aperture.The Heng Long turret roof is 2.0mm thick as was the styrene card used.
20-After gluing back on the Turret lid mounting post to the Cupola base plate a hole was drilled/filed into the replacement turret roof section to allow the post to pass through into the turret.

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Building up the Turret roof to mount the Cupola. Click for larger image


21-The replacement turret roof section was used to mark the centre hole for the base plate below.
22-Drill three 4.5mm holes into the new roof section. This was aligned and marked by placing a few spots of black paint on the pegs on the bottom of the Cupola base.
23- The finished base, if you spent time getting the diametres correct when using a Jakar cutter you have almost no filling to do.

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Final fitting of Cupola Base plate . Click for larger image.


24-This is the final result. Not much you may argue, but lowered by 1.5mm the pictures do not show how the overall affect looks. The profile of the Cupola will be lowered further with the addition of a "weld bead" around the base which will create the effect of losing another 1.0mm. This Tiger 1 Mid Production has 25mm thick roof armour so there should be a slight gap between the base of the chamfer of the Cupola and the roof top. The Cupola will be left off while the loaders hatch and Turret bin are corrected so it is a loose fit for now.

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Finished Lowered Hachette Cupola
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Next update will be detailing the Cupola Top by adding in the missing parts and correcting others.

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