1 Kompanie PzAbt 101 Tiger 131 Walter Hahn Project Diary

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Postby Wildboar44 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:11 pm

This thread is reconstructed due to the pictures being removed by a third party host in 2016.The layout and wording may change from the original. 31.10.2019 Update :: Photo Thread restored 11-12-2019


Tiger 131 101st PzAbt with Untersturmfuhrer Walter Hahn at the command passing through Morgny village on the D316 heading West toward the River Seine. Shortly after this picture was taken the column was attacked by Allied fighters

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Tiger 131 Morgny France 1944


I have always liked this image of the Tiger 1,if anyone was to ask who has not seen a tiger, i would show them this picture. I have only recently discovered where the picture was taken in the tiny village of Morgny France. I had a chance recently on a business trip to drive over to Morgny, not surprisingly, the village has changed very little since 1944. The commander sitting atop the turret is Walter Hahn, what happened to him and Tiger 131 I would be very interested in finding out.

The purpose of this project is to take a previously modded Tiger 1 and try to replicate as close as possible Tiger 131, as well as undertake a few reliabilty modifications I have been waiting to do. Once it is complete , we will take this HL Tiger over to Morgny and photogragh it in a sort of then and now R/C tank style.

So here it is ...... Taken out of the box Christmas day a few years ago by our 10 year old Son , it started out as a plastic tracked ,nylon gearbox smoker & BB. within 5 minutes the cry went out "Dad... the smoker thingy has stopped working "! Boxing day it was run through every muddy
puddle and obsticle in our local woodland park. By close of play on day 2 one snapped track and a stripped nylon gearbox !
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How it all started a small boys Christmas present

So after it happened, you know when you think you will add a few extra's and make it more rugged ( and then the spending gets out of hand !.Fitted with Modellbau track adjusters and metal track & gearboxes, painted and upgraded with the more common add on parts its ends up being expensive and very different to how it started
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Front mod,s single light, zimmerit stuck on and MG

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Never found out where rear fenders fell off !

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never really happy with the camo, being period correct is the greatest challange I face

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Weathered exhaust stubs and rear deck


So that is the basis for this project, a HL long Tiger which already had the following modifications applied by the time I started the Walter Hann build
Metal Early model metal tracks and idle/drive wheels
Modellbau original track adjusters
Metal Gearbox (HL)
"Rubber" zimmerit stuck on to hull and turret
Fine detail flashing turret and hull MG
Metal Cupola and MG
Single Headlight
Smoke Launchers removed

So now begins the stripdown and rebuild .................................................................


Ta for now
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Postby Red Devils » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:41 pm

Wildboar,

Nothing wrong with another Mid Prod Tiger, if you need any ref pics or schematics, feel free to ask. I've collected a bit during my Mid Production build. Here is a colorized pic of your project. Enjoy...

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Postby sassgrunt » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:04 am

I have always been partial to this Tiger, as Walther and I share the same surname (no relation, though). Although it is one of the eventual projects on my build list, I have not started it yet. There is another build of it on a French tank modeler's forum that you might enjoy looking over. http://rc-panzer.xooit.com/t5553-TIGER- ... -Video.htm He added the gun travel lock at the rear; which I am not sure was 100% correct for this vehicle. Of course, I'm not sure that it ISN'T correct, either.

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Postby Wildboar44 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:50 pm

Red Devils wrote:Wildboar,

Nothing wrong with another Mid Prod Tiger, if you need any ref pics or schematics, feel free to ask. I've collected a bit during my Mid Production build. Here is a colorized pic of your project. Enjoy...

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Thanks Derek, I thought I had seen a colour enhanced image somewhere but could not find it.I was looking at the colour of the turret numbers, they seem Red, although i have seen from several sources that these were green/white outline for 1st Kompanie, I must say when trying to find information, every question asked generates several more !.


Do you or any other forum member know the correct colour for the dust cover over the muzzle brake ? It looks to be a dark colour, Black,dark grey or Green ?

Were the C hooks oversprayed with camo colour or painted a separate colour of there own ?



Thanks once again :) Ps... Love the incredible detailing you and tanks-for-memory are putting into your Tigers , me doing that sort of detail will be like asking Ghandi to run the 100m in flip flops !
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Postby Wildboar44 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:15 pm

sassgrunt wrote:I have always been partial to this Tiger, as Walther and I share the same surname (no relation, though). Although it is one of the eventual projects on my build list, I have not started it yet. There is another build of it on a French tank modeler's forum that you might enjoy looking over. http://rc-panzer.xooit.com/t5553-TIGER- ... -Video.htm He added the gun travel lock at the rear; which I am not sure was 100% correct for this vehicle. Of course, I'm not sure that it ISN'T correct, either.



Thanks for link sassgrunt , Its good to get help assembling as much information as possible. I am not sure if this vehicle had a travel lock but I will assume
it had one ... buiding one will give me kittens ! lol
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Postby sassgrunt » Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:24 pm

Yes, I don't relish the thought of how my attempt at a travel lock would probably turn out. Every time I look at the travel lock that Derek built for his Tiger; it leaves my jaw hanging open. -Mike

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Postby Red Devils » Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:38 am

Hey dude,

Have you seen this pic?

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In ref to the C Hooks, I have seen pics where they have been camo'd with the tank and just painted the Dark Yellow. Never the bare metal as depicted in the colored prints but you never know. I asked a question awhile go if anyone knew if they were issued primed or bare metal but got no answer.

In regards to the Muzzle Cover, not to sure, the pic looks green but not sure if that was added by the artist who did the work. Maybe some of the more advanced and knowledgable members will chime in, the tank that I'm doing is also sporting one.

Anyway buddy, if you need anything, drop us a line.

Derek

P.S. Mike, stop it buddy, your making me blush. :haha:
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Postby Red Devils » Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:45 am

Cancel last on the pic, I see Mikes link offers the picture already...

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Postby Wildboar44 » Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:16 pm

Thanks for the pic Derek and ifo on dust covers & C hooks, I was hoping someone else would confirm 1 Kompanie Turret numbers .

By accident searching last night i came across the same set of pics on a German website RCTANK.DE , I will hope to purchase the decal set for 131 they list on thier website http://www.rctank.de/product_info.php?c ... ts_id=1362 . Seem pretty good .

Any members dealt with RCTANK.DE ? ..... unlike UK based 1/16th specialists ... they dont list many items "out of stock " that itself seems unusual ?

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Postby Wildboar44 » Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:23 pm

Just spotted something ....... is that a rear light / reflecter ?
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Rear reflector detail
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Postby Red Devils » Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:16 pm

Hey buddy,

It is a rear reflector brother...

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Postby Wildboar44 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:06 am

Updated 1-11-2019

Ok , its been a week in the workshop, after everything was taken apart and boxed/labeled , it was time to start modifications .


First on the list was a few changed to make this Tiger have a better "go anywhere" capability . The Hull is a plastic standard lower half, the road wheels are still plastic as are the suspension arms, the springs are the stronger type, but other than that its standard.

The first Jobs on the list are mainly for durability and relaiability ::
1. Move all the switches from the bottom of the hull to locations under opening front driver/gunner
2. Reinforce the area around the already installed front drive support bearings.

So as you can see from the picture below, this Tiger has already been fitted with Tank Modellbau Track adjusters, IMHO if you are planning on sticking with a standard Hull these are the only bullet proof solution to track adjustment. The adjusters are very solid and together with the huge ally backing block and tie rod means the back end very solid. I am not sure if with the advent of Asiatam all metal hulls that these are still available in this type.
N:B As of Nov 2019 these are still available from tank-modellbau.de
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Modellbau track adj - internal mount and brace

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External view Madellbau idler axle

First on the list of the job sheet was out with Mr Dremmel and off with those switch sockets and lugs
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Original Hull mounting points and switch sockets

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No going back now

As you can see from the next picture, the Hull is already fitted with Modellbua drive shaft support bearings
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Modellbau axle support bearings

While these are a great addition,it had concerned me that these whilst being sturdy are fitted to the thinnest part of the hull(1.25mm thick).While making a new floor pan out of 2mm Aluminium which was bonded with 2-part epoxy glue to cover the holes left by the removed switches, i fabricated these support plates to reinforce the area and provide stiffness to the gearbox shafts
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Reinforment plates and floor pan from 2mm aluminium

Whilst not a reinforcing item , the HL Hull is missing the gearbox inner Hull bolt on Flanges, so it was time to add these .
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armoured transmission covers added to Hull detail



Next will be the new switch mountings, aerial mounting inside the Hull projecting through the correct position ariel base plate ,Gearbox firewall and sound proof covers ...................


Until then ..... Tankon
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Postby lister fiend » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:38 am

hi wildboar
i think your tiger looks pretty fine to me already.
good work fella :thumbup:
as for moving all the switches i would suggest you have a look here
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piss easy to fit, even i managed it! & does what it's supposed to.
cheers
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btw i moved all my switches at the same time as the charging socket,
then things got out of hand, as one thing leads to another.
so cut out the battery box to fit a much bigger speaker.
lol it's never ending!
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Postby Wildboar44 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:48 pm

Thanks for the link Lister .... :thumbup:

I have considered using a power jack to charge the battery, one thing that has prevented me doing this is we often take 6 battery packs out with us to run the two tanks (the other is a std Jagdpanther ). Its not uncommon to use all 3 for each tank ( they are uprated packs),we once even drove them around a 9 mile mountain bike track !.

I have been toying with the idea of removing the battery box and fitting two battery packs inside with some sort of toggle switch between them. The switch to "toggle" between the two battery packs would possibly be located behind the "C" hook in the rear hull ?. as you say....it goes on and on... !

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Postby Wildboar44 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:10 pm

:: The Aerial Relocation
There are two versions of the HL aerial relocation in this build. This option here was the original idea and construction. As with all things, as the knowledge and experience grew so new and different solutions develope during the build.

This option houses the HL receiver aeriall in the correct location on the right hand side of the hull in front of the engine grill. As the turret traverses the gun barrel will come into contact with the aerial.

The later option houses the aerial within the hull and a scale size dummy replaces the electronic receiver aerial, the turrent ring gear is fitted with stops to prevent the barrel from making contact. 03-11-2019
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The first job to tackle was to relocate the aerial . As we know its in the wrong position on the back of the Hull, it should be located just forward of the right hand engine grill (viewed from the rear)
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Incorrect aerial location

Another reason for relocating the aerial was because in order to separate the Upper Hull & Turret from the chassis on this early HL version, you simply unclip the connectors from the RX18 unit (but) you have to use a screwdriver to remove the wire connector from the aerial base. This will over time weaken and had to be resolderd more than once. This version allows to to fix the receiver aerial to the chassis and simply slide the hull up without touching the aerial.

I have very little knowledge of electronics , but somehow I knew that mounting the brass aerial base direct to an aluminium bracket could affect the signal, so i needed an "isolator" between the two, the simple solution for me was a cut down Lego block. I just used a Dremel to remove the knobs and drill a correct hole to allow the brass aerial base to be glued in.
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Lego Block as an isolator

Then to ensure that the central post of the Lego block passed beyond the Ally mounting plate hole , I dremelled off 3mm from the bottom of the block. This was done to make sure no short curcuit would happen from the aerial brass base and the aluminium plate.
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Section of block removed

Then I made a bracket from 2mm Ally plate to site the aerial block directly under the new hole drilled into the Hull deck, the Lego block is secured by two part epoxy resin to the mounting plate .
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Bracket to hold aerial in correct location

This is how the receiver aeriall exits the hull in the correct position. The base of the aerial you see is a Schumo item which is pre drilled which is a bonus, it is simply bonded in with 2 part epoxy glue.
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External view of new location of aerial



Until next time ........
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Postby Wildboar44 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:39 pm

After I made the Modellbau gearbox axle bearing support plates , I was impressed how stiff the front of the Hull is, So it anyone out there wants to do the same, here are the dimensions . Plates made from 2mm Ally plate , the holes centres are taken once the plate is cut to size and offered up inside the Hull, dont forget to use masking tape was your drawing surface on the Ally plate.
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Reinforcement plate details


Until I get the next job done...............Tankon
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Postby Red Devils » Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:57 pm

Lookin good brother...

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Postby jonger » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:13 am

Wildboar44 wrote:
The top of the ariel is cut down to project 40mm above the Turret .



How much did you cut off - as I have been told the ariel length is critical as its "tuned" to the wavelength of the transmitter, if you alter the length too much it changes the receiving wavelength and you can loose distance that it works successfully from the transmitter.
A number of people install coiled internal ariels (of the right length) then just have a fake one in the correct place externally cut to the scale height.
There are a number of builds on the forum showing this in action.

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Postby Wildboar44 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:31 am

Red Devils wrote:Lookin good brother...

Derek



Thanks Ace ...... praise from the master builder himself ......... :thumbup:
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Postby Wildboar44 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:36 am

jonger wrote:
Wildboar44 wrote:The top of the ariel is cut down to project 40mm above the Turret .


How much did you cut off - as I have been told the ariel length is critical as its "tuned" to the wavelength of the transmitter, if you alter the length too much it changes the receiving wavelength and you can loose distance that it works successfully from the transmitter. A number of people install coiled internal ariels (of the right length) then just have a fake one in the correct place externally cut to the scale height. There are a number of builds on the forum showing this in action.


Hey jonger.............

We dont operate far from the tanks when we use them , 10-15ft ( 3.0 - 4.5m ) , its not caused a problem in the past . If we want to incease the range I will add a standard ariel height, its a push on fitting from the brass base plug to the ariel coil wire. 8)
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