Sov's Tiger Build

This section is to 'show and tell' about any customizing or re-vamping you have done (or are doing) to a Heng Long tank.

Postby jarndice » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:11 pm

I first found my true passion (Sorry Jan) in the service when I learnt to ride a BSA M20,
Don't you just love the sophisticated suspension and the ease with which you just flick the Bike on to its stand :lolno:
To someone whose only prior experience on two wheels was a pedal cycle, the Beezer was a dream although not Super that came later.
Oh Sov my lady is going to have trouble keeping me home this weekend,
I suspect the cravings will return and I shall be riding the Bandit around the lanes of Bucks, Herts and Beds.
I shall of course blame you. :D
You have a machine that never rewarded your knuckles for carrying out the most basic maintenance, :thumbup:
At the time it was a big bike now they really are amazingly small. :think:
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Postby SovereignZuul » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:52 pm

Would love to see a pic of your ride, and any riding/service stories would be welcome here! What years did you ride in the service? I know my bike (1940) wasn't struck from the registrar until 1970, had a very long life in military use.
I could go on and on about how the bike amazes me.

Getting a warm up with the hobby stuff.

Cleaned off my bench, it was a disaster with stuff piled everywhere before.
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Starting back up, simple and small. So many parts are covered with dirt and basement dust they need a cleaning. Anyone with a "damp" basement knows the muck that covers things. These wheels were dirty and primer was getting chipped. I cleaned up the contact areas with a dremel + wire wheel to remove paint overspray. Hot soapy water wash and reassembled them with some WD40 on a junky paint brush to get the pieces to slide together again. I'll give them a light primer spray again to cover chips.
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Whole shot of the desk with Tiger stuff unpacked. Got a lot of stuff to go through and I need to begin making sense of it all. Many more parts need cleaning and I need to figure out my direction. :haha:
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I've been doing some other small hobby stuff in the last few years as well.
Here is that Gundam/Mobile suit model finished : https://imgur.com/a/yWH4i#0
...and some mini figure painting I was learning. https://imgur.com/a/23P9C
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Postby c.rainford73 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:18 pm

So nice to see it "alive". Fabulous work with the miniatures and figure
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Postby SovereignZuul » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:21 pm

I've had this gorgeous Aber muzzle break for a long time and it was one of my favorite parts. About time I finally opened it up and made some progress with it. Started with getting it to fit on the barrel I have. Had to file/sand down the barrel and take some off the tip to get it to fit.
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Comparing the Heng Long/Taigen and the Aber. Well, what a difference to the muzzle I had! This Aber is an early/mid style muzzle. My older muzzle looks like a late style one, not appropriate for this Tiger of mine. It may be hard to make out but this muzzle even has some rifling down the tube!
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Both solder and glue are holding this mostly completed muzzle on the barrel. I did plenty of high grit sanding to smooth out and erase some lines in the model where there shouldn't be any.
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I really disliked the muzzle "bolt" holder that came with the Aber kit, 3d items don't work well often when made from flat brass sheet. (For lack of knowledge of what this part is called, it secures the muzzle on the end of the barrel.) So I scratch built my own. Some plastic card carefully sanded and drilled with a tiny scale bolt inserted looks pretty good.
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Cleaned and polished. On to the next thing now.
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Postby SovereignZuul » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:11 pm

Another small update.... Nothing exciting.

I washed my hull pieces, all the basement grime off. Washed my gearboxes and reinstalled the motors on them as well.

I wanted to get the gear boxes installed into the hull before putting on any delicate pieces since it was a "heavy duty" job. Turns out nothing fit right. I had to drill bigger holes in my sprockets, install the shaft bearings I had, mark holes for them, remove everything, drill holes, put bearings back on and then gearboxes back in. Took my awhile but progress is progress. Bearings were a perfect fit (about the only thing that fit), a little light oil and a small tac hammer and everything fit well with no binding. Throughout the process I fit the sprockets and track multiple times to make sure everything was aligned the way I wanted before tightening it all down. Was a bit tricky to get the gearbox drive shafts back through the bearings after they were mounted but nothing I struggled with too much. I went over some lines with super glue again and sanded them to cover them up a bit.

Next I plan to make a "waterproof" interior bin for all the electronics parts. Not planning to submerge this vehicle but some light mud, snow and water running I will eventually get to. Will also make some gearbox shields at the same time.

Also Want to get the turret interior functions sorted too, soon. Going to scratch build one I think, rather than use the Heng Long parts I have. I have two micro servos that'll serve the job. Servo controlled recoil and elevation/depression sure looks nice.

My brain has certainly shifted back into tank mode. :haha:

I'm pondering my electronic choices now as well. I have what I need already, a clark t22 board. In the years that have passed since I see some potential improvements in the electronics department. Not sure I'll stick with the Clark now or swap my plan to an Elmod pro. Will be researching.

Lastly, I spoke with our friend David again. Always a pleasure to gain knowledge from the Tiger master. :)

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Postby wibblywobbly » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:04 pm

So glad to see you back on the case with this build, though if I had an M20 to restore I know which one I would choose! :thumbup:
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Postby SovereignZuul » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:20 pm

It's cold in CT, really cold! My poor hands couldn't deal with 70+ year old burred bolts in near freezing weather. The BSA might get grouchy if I wake it's winter sleep. :haha:
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Postby c.rainford73 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:51 pm

SovereignZuul wrote:It's cold in CT, really cold! My poor hands couldn't deal with 70+ year old burred bolts in near freezing weather. The BSA might get grouchy if I wake it's winter sleep. :haha:
Mr Zuul whereabouts are you in this state they call CT? I think I reside there too:think:

Nice to have finally find someone nearby....

I promise I won't show up unannounced and check out your Tiger I.

Yes last weekend I was working outside on some water lines and my machine had icicles hanging from the hoses and levers.

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Postby SovereignZuul » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:35 pm

Enfield, like the rifle or (royal) motorcycle. :wave:

What part of the state are you from? :)

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Postby c.rainford73 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:55 pm

SovereignZuul wrote:Enfield, like the rifle or (royal) motorcycle. :wave:

What part of the state are you from? :)

- Paul
Hello PaulI am located in Middlebury. Keep up the great work with your Tiger I build
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:35 pm

jarndice wrote:I first found my true passion (Sorry Jan) in the service when I learnt to ride a BSA M20,
Don't you just love the sophisticated suspension and the ease with which you just flick the Bike on to its stand :lolno:
To someone whose only prior experience on two wheels was a pedal cycle, the Beezer was a dream although not Super that came later.
Oh Sov my lady is going to have trouble keeping me home this weekend,
I suspect the cravings will return and I shall be riding the Bandit around the lanes of Bucks, Herts and Beds.
I shall of course blame you. :D
You have a machine that never rewarded your knuckles for carrying out the most basic maintenance, :thumbup:
At the time it was a big bike now they really are amazingly small. :think:
Shaun.

Shaun and Sov.,
I once rode a BSA Bombardier over an assault course at RAF Wroughton (an open day). My daily ride, at that time, was an ex-police BMW R80RT, but when I got to try out the Bomba it fitted like a glove..unlike my Beemer, and was nicely balanced where my RT was slightly top heavy, maybe because of its massive full fairing. I think the Bomba I rode was still in army service, and may have been 250cc (could be 400cc)...but I'm not sure now. It was perhaps a tad slow and underpowered, but really inspired confidence over see-saws and other obstacles..on the course :) I believe it would have been great fun for a despatch rider.

I'd love to have one now, as I'm also slow and underpowered these days. :lolno: :haha:

Now back to that wonderful Tiger 1 build, Sov. Put the BSA back into hibernation, and show us a few new bits of ingenuity :thumbup:
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Postby PainlessWolf » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:48 pm

Sov!
Tiger build please! *chuckles* Here is my obligatory motorcycle memory: When I was 25, I decided to ride a motorcycle back from North Carolina to Colorado. I bought a used machine and did a little fix-up. This was my first long trip on two wheels so I did some research. My 1976 Honda CB200T got me back to Boulder after a long, winding trip through the southern states and Kansas that took some 7 days to complete. Best time of my life! I rode for 30+ years and never had a trip afterwards as magical as that one ( came close a couple of times ) I still miss that machine. ;o) Ahem! Back to tanks!
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Postby Markocaster » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:10 am

Glad to see your progress on this tiger Sov


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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:10 am

Good on you for getting back into it mate.

As for chatting with David, I agree he has the info, but at times lacks the delivery method(as do we all sometimes I suppose)
That muzzle brake is a work of art....................shame to paint it !
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Postby Soeren » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:21 pm

Great update and nice idea with the muzzlebrake lock. :thumbup:
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Postby SovereignZuul » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:02 am

Carl, maybe we can take the tanks out someday, if I ever have a tank that I can drive! :haha:

Love the bike stories gents. I think it's an older late 70's early 80's BMW R100 in my family. My brother has it now, with the big fairing, that thing does ride weird. I'm liking the British bikes right now, though my older 82 Goldwing is a super comfy ride.

All you guys have said many nice things and certainly made me feel welcome back! ;D

I love the interjection about anything interesting to talk about, but sure, for now back to tanks.

I feel guilty building parts from a kit instead of scratch building more, like I'm cheating somehow, lol.

I've had these aber tow cables half finished for years now so went all the way to finish them. Made them both the precise exact length. These were a major pain, even being a kit item. The holes in the brass cylinder end were not nearly big enough to fit the cables the kit came with through and I had to hand drill them wider, took me about an hour for both. Gosh my poor fingers, I forgot what it's like, lol. If that wasn't bad enough bending the cable and holding it together to solder really hurt. These cables are stiff and very elastic, they want to spring right back. The liquid solder paste saved the day as usual, these things are so heavy duty I could tow a real motorcycle with them. Gotta love the way they look, at least I do. They are one of my favorite items. I compare them with another aftermarket set I already had in these pics. The other set is copper wire and so flexible it's floppy.

I'm going to experiment on the final deck assembly if I can leave the brackets the tow cables lay in loose enough to operate, so if I desire I can remove and actually make use of the tow cables just for fun! We'll see if such a thing is reasonably possible or not at a later date.

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Postby Soeren » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:10 am

These cables have a kind of synthetic core. I heated mine with a torch light, but do it outside ;). Then they become thinner and are better in retaining their shape you bend them into. This is some kind of hardened steel too. When I tried to cut them with bolt cutters I damaged the blade. Not real hobby grade material. But they look good for sure. But the Schumos do as well and those are much more kit-like. If you know what I mean.
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Postby c.rainford73 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:42 am

These cables look excellent
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Postby SovereignZuul » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:02 pm

You're right, these cables are not really hobby grade, lol.

Started making my electronics basket, hopefully to keep water out! Unless I practically submerge the upper hull I see this as being pretty good. It'll get more modifications in the future and just taped it together for now to check the fit. I'm waiting on some angled plastic to glue the whole thing together nice and strong. The larger speaker I have will probably mount near the engine grates so I don't see this as being possible right now but I must explore options. I really want to permanently fuse the hull halves so I'm going to see if removing batteries is possible through the engine deck I cut open or what I can do for this....

I'll be gluing the electronics box to the taigen battery/electronics chassis plate that screws onto the hull and cut/filed/sanded it appropriately to make it proper for this task. I'd like to construct a basic dust enclosure for the gearboxes as well that piggybacks off the electronics box or simply fits in with it.

Going to spray the tank interior a black/dark grey towards the end too, so it doesn't look too bright peering through the engine grates or anything.

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Postby c.rainford73 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:14 pm

Paul I really like the interior box design. Are you sure you permanently want to fuse the two halves....

Just in case you need to access the gearboxes or such is there a better alternative like a taigen latching system or simply replace the screws with nice magnets so you can latch the top to the bottom easily

I'm just curious and just adding a little bit of insight that's all
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