Ardennes King Tiger - Jnewboy Customs

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Postby Gillaspy2005 » Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:30 pm

Jnewboy wrote:Thanks!

So as I said before, I had intended to go back over some of the green dots with brown...

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Honestly, I dont know if I like it, I only did the front to get a look at it, I dont know if I want to do the whole thing, I may change it back to green. What do you guys think?
I personally think that the brown looks better, however it still would look brilliant with the green. Bottom line is that they did the camo in the field anyway so anything (within reason!) goes. With filters applied I suspect the brown would be a better fit as well as the green may fade a bit more into the dunkelgelb.

No right answer here, personal preference I guess!

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Postby Jnewboy » Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:13 am

General Jumbo01 wrote:Sorry if you've already said, but are you planning to weather the model? If so, that would subdue the rather bright finish. If not, the dots will remain prominent so the colour choice remains more if an issue. Although l'm not a fan of heavy weathering, l think a thin wash of rain/dust would do the job.


For sure, no model leaves my bench unweathered, I will use Magic Grime on it once the paint and decals are done. I decided to go ahead with the brown dots, after a few more were on it seemed to look better and better. The decals are next!

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Postby Jnewboy » Sun Aug 22, 2021 4:17 pm

So here are my options...

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After going through my decals I have found these, all very different, all for the same tanks and all the same scale... So lets break this down to decide the best choice.

The bottom right are from Tamiya, they are ok but WAY to dark blue so they are out.


In the middle are the Peddinghaus decals, at first glance they look OK but then you notice that the blue is actually very light purple and worst of all the number "4" is wrong and they are too big!!. The Germans used what I call a "spiked 4" on these tanks. The "4" is vertical on top and has "points", this can be seen on the other decals, its a simple obvious detail that they didn't care to catch so they are out.

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The top decals are custom made, a few years back, I really liked them, the color, the right "4", they seemed perfect but, they are too big! They look great but the Archer decals just look better.

In the bottom left are the Archer decals, they may be rub-on but either way they look the best, color, size... the right "4"... :thumbup:
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Postby Herr Dr. Professor » Sun Aug 22, 2021 6:00 pm

Newboy: Thanks for the tip on the Archer transfers: I had the Peddinghouse decals and was surprised by the oversized numbers. Thanks, too, for the URL, Jofaur. (You two solved one of my problems. Besides, I have plenty of other ideas for masks from Rad.)
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Postby NAB » Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:42 am

Jnewboy wrote:So here are my options...

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After going through my decals I have found these, all very different, all for the same tanks and all the same scale... So lets break this down to decide the best choice.

The bottom right are from Tamiya, they are ok but WAY to dark blue so they are out.


In the middle are the Peddinghaus decals, at first glance they look OK but then you notice that the blue is actually very light purple and worst of all the number "4" is wrong and they are too big!!. The Germans used what I call a "spiked 4" on these tanks. The "4" is vertical on top and has "points", this can be seen on the other decals, its a simple obvious detail that they didn't care to catch so they are out.

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The top decals are custom made, a few years back, I really liked them, the color, the right "4", they seemed perfect but, they are too big! They look great but the Archer decals just look better.

In the bottom left are the Archer decals, they may be rub-on but either way they look the best, color, size... the right "4"...
Why dont you speak to Rad about getting some stencils. Then you can have exactly what you want and the exact colour

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Postby Jnewboy » Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:14 pm

Well I got busy with life and was out of my studio for a week and when I returned I realized that I was forgetting something very important! CHIPPING!

First we do sponge chipping of the base coat to give the appearance of the camo being worn/chipped off...

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Next we do Red Primer chips on the edges and scrapes, some are on their own and some are on top of the base coat chipping giving the appearance of deeper chips. I use a ruler to make straight scratches/scrapes on the fenders.

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Last we take Chipping color and paint it into the Red Primer chips allowing a some of the Red Primer to still show... This takes the longest but the result is worth it! Also added some para-scopes for the front 8)

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To be clear, I know it seems over done, the contrast is way to extreem and this is intentional as the Magic Grime will filter it all together, decals next, then Magic Grime! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Postby Raminator » Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:21 pm

Love the chipping Jon, the sideways streaks along the skirts are a brilliant touch. These things would get scratched to hell pushing through foliage and rubble. Looking forward to seeing the Magic Grime work its magic!
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Postby Jnewboy » Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:52 pm

Raminator wrote:Love the chipping Jon, the sideways streaks along the skirts are a brilliant touch. These things would get scratched to hell pushing through foliage and rubble. Looking forward to seeing the Magic Grime work its magic!


Thanks Ram!! Yes the Germans had a hard time squeezing the King Tiger through the narrow streets and forest roads!! More than one got stuck and abandoned from running into a building, just think how the Maus would have done in combat! :haha:
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Postby Jnewboy » Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:01 pm

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And just like that, the "blue" camo becomes green once the blue decal is installed, also put the SS PzAbt 501 insignia on and the "mysterious G" that everyone has a theory about but no one seems to be able to prove what exactly it signified.

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Hairspray and Magic Grime next! :thumbup:
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Postby Jofaur86 » Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:44 pm

??? the famous G? it would seem that it is a relation with the General Gudérian, designer of the German armored weapon, he applied the doctrine of the lightning war, including the intensive use of the tanks, France 1940, Russia 1941 (source Wikipedia ) now no confirmation? but would seem plausible ??

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Postby Jnewboy » Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:52 pm

Jofaur86 wrote:??? the famous G? it would seem that it is a relation with the General Gudérian, designer of the German armored weapon, he applied the doctrine of the lightning war, including the intensive use of the tanks, France 1940, Russia 1941 (source Wikipedia ) now no confirmation? but would seem plausible ??


Interesting theory, I have never heard that one. There are many historical forums arguing on this subject. I tend to favor the Glysantin theory, but we will probably never know.

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:15 pm

Well I suppose anything is possible.
I have been told that the all steel wheeled Panthers unit had a team of factory engineers assigned to them to analyse the wear and performance of the steel wheel concept.

Who is to say that specifically designated machines were the focus of an engine improvement scheme.
After all, at that stage, there was no chance anyone was telling the Boss not to bother, we are about done here !!!
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Postby Tiger6 » Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:19 pm

According to Roddy MacDougall and Martin Block's book on the Panther, the G stood for Glysantin. This was only to be used in the winter, as the higher summer temperatures would cause the additives in the coolant to break down and boil off. When spring came around, the coolant would have to be flushed completely, and the summer coolant Akorol was to be used. The 2 could not be mixed without causing damage to the engine. The book mentions that the service manuals would have instructions to paint over the G marking once the coolant had been changed, but doesn't give a source that I can verify that against.

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Postby EAO » Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:32 pm

Interesting! I always assumed it was for Guderian too? Possibly earlier in the war with other tanks though? :think: At any rate; Jnewboy, another marvelous creation. Watching along as always! :thumbup: :wave:

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Postby Tiger6 » Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:17 pm

EAO wrote:Interesting! I always assumed it was for Guderian too? Possibly earlier in the war with other tanks though? :think: At any rate; Jnewboy, another marvelous creation. Watching along as always! :thumbup: :wave:

Cheers,
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During Operation Barbarossa the Army group commander's initial was painted on the fenders of the vehicles (G for Guderian, K for Von Kleist etc), but this died out with the end of that operation as far as I know. By the time they get to the Ardennes offensive, they aren't even supposed to be painting unit markings on their vehicles.

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Postby Jnewboy » Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:00 am

EAO wrote:Interesting! I always assumed it was for Guderian too? Possibly earlier in the war with other tanks though? :think: At any rate; Jnewboy, another marvelous creation. Watching along as always! :thumbup: :wave:

Cheers,
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Thanks my friend, I appreciate the kind words, Im debating the quantity of spots, do you guys think I should remove some before weathering?
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Postby Jofaur86 » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:16 am

Hello
pensez-vous que je devrais en enlever avant de vieillir?

Magnificent work, but for me, one can load too much in points. Perhaps it would have been necessary to make the aging, to see what gives and possibly, to add. But you should know that apart from the historical reconstruction, the main one being that corresponds to your expectation (it is your work) and you like it. Good luck and good day.

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:03 am

https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comme ... radiction/

Its a coolant/antifreeze still made today by German company BASF.
The link above has a pic of a Jagdtiger with the reference on it.
Also another product called Akorol which was a very poisonous product which could not be mixed with normal coolant.
As is the case today, different coolants have base compounds that do not mix with others and so must be flushed very well before going to another product.
Tanks they may be, but still automotive machines with the same fragility as any other.

Great to have the old marking 'G' cleared up.
Well it certainly is for me anyway.
Taking things at face value its more important to know what your precious engines are running rather than who is in charge so you can look after them accordingly.

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Postby EAO » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:45 pm

Tiger6 wrote:


During Operation Barbarossa the Army group commander's initial was painted on the fenders of the vehicles (G for Guderian, K for Von Kleist etc), but this died out with the end of that operation as far as I know. By the time they get to the Ardennes offensive, they aren't even supposed to be painting unit markings on their vehicles.[/quote]

Thank you Tiger6 for clearing away the cobwebs from my mind! :D

Herman, great find! Interesting articles. :thumbup:

Jnewboy; as to the spots, I really like it the way it is IMHO! :clap:

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