El Alamein 23/10/42

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El Alamein 23/10/42

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The Battle of El Alamein 23/10/42
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I forgot this event,the second battle of El Alamein. THANKS Panzerman

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It may almost be said, "Before Alamein we never had a victory. After Alamein we never had a defeat."
– Winston Churchill.[97]
It had not been the first time that the Allies had had numerical superiority in men and equipment in the Western Desert but never had it been so complete and across all arms. Furthermore, while in the past, except in field artillery, they had struggled with the quality of their equipment and its ability to match the opposition, with the arrival of Sherman tanks, 6-pdr anti-tank guns and the Spitfire in the Western Desert, this was no longer the case.[98]
Montgomery had always envisioned the battle as being one of attrition similar to those fought in the Great War, and had correctly predicted both the length of the battle and the number of Allied casualties.[99] Allied artillery was superbly handled. Allied air support was excellent in contrast to the Luftwaffe and Regia Aeronautica which offered little or no support to ground forces, preferring to engage in air-to-air combat. This overwhelming air superiority had a huge effect on the battle and not only because of its physical impact. As Montgomery later wrote
The moral effect of air action [on the enemy] is very great and out of all proportion to the material damage inflicted. In the reverse direction, the sight and sound of our own air forces operating against the enemy have an equally satisfactory effect on our own troops. A combination of the two has a profound influence on the most important single factor in war—morale.[53]
In the end, the Allies' victory was all but total. Axis casualties of 37,000 amounted to over 30% of their total force. Allied casualties of 13,500 were by comparison a remarkably small proportion of their total force.[83] The effective strength of Panzerarmee after the battle amounted to some 5,000 troops, 20 tanks, 20 anti-tank guns and 50 field guns.[83] But the Allies' immediate exploitation of the victory was poor. They were taken by surprise by Rommel's withdrawal and this combined with confusion caused by reorganisation as units were re-allocated between the three Corps meant they were slow in pursuit, failing to cut off Rommel first at Fuka and then Mersa Matruh.[100]
El Alamein was the first great offensive against the Germans in which the Western Allies were victorious. Winston Churchill famously summed up the battle on 10 November 1942 with the words, "This is not the end, it is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."[101] It was Montgomery's greatest triumph; he took the title "Viscount Montgomery of Alamein" when he was raised to the peerage after the war.
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Re: El Alamein 23/10/42

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There is of course one little advantage Monty had that previous Commanders were not given, he had access to the decoded German radio traffic. It meant he knew what Rommel was planning and in at least one occassion had the information before Rommel.
It was Auchinleck who stopped Rommel at El Alamein and I don't think he's given half the credit he's due for what he achieved with a lot less resources than Monty was given.

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I very much agree with that observation, Auchinleck was a scape goat for the failures. Monty was given more of everything and came on the battlefield with many advantages, and at a time when Rommel could not replace his loses. Much of the Hype about Monty is hot air.

He also is the British commander responsible for the most casualties which is rarely mentioned. Also rarely mentioned is his reliance on the Royal Navy which was responsible for his resupply and denying Rommel his supplies.Admiral Somerville and Cunningham deserve much of the credit for the defeat of the Africa Corp. Saxondog
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Don't think the Sherman's made a whole lot of differance grandad was there and drove one and he hated them.
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