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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:17 pm

I'm trying to find the RAL number, and colour designation, for the 1939-45 Iron Cross medal ribbon. I've been building- even scratch-building tanks now for five years, but have never tried populating my tracked steeds with figures. None that I've painted, that is. ;)
So....it's time for the fine Tamiya brushes, and the illuminated mega-Loupe. However, whilst I now have a set of panzer uniform colours- there are a few colours I can't replicate. :problem:
The red used in the Medal ribbon is one that has stumped me. It varies (as all colours do) with light conditions; but it looks like a type of scarlet, with Heinz Tomato Soup thrown in (but not literally :lolno: ).
The same colour is used on the ubiquitous bullseye type cap badge. The one here is from a German Police hat, but it looks the same sort of shade.
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Ignore the figure top-right. That's just some initial (unrefined) detail t be painted over. :)
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Soldiers often wore the Iron Cross ribbon from the second buttonhole down.
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In the rummaging process, I also came across this useful figure daubing website:-


https://www.panzermodels.co.uk/blogs/ne ... ejo-paints
with Panzer crew colours (Vallejo) 1939-45:

Panzer Crew 1939-1945
Field Cap: Neutral Grey V70.992
Beret: Black V70.950
Officer Cap: German Uniform V70.920
Cap/Tunic/Trousers: Black V70.950 / Grey V70.994
Waffenfarbe: Sunset Red V70.802
Belt/Boots: Black V70.950 / Grey V70.994
Shirt/Gloves: Neutral Grey V70.992
and the Panzer Uniform detailed for a 1939 Leutnant. Handy, yes, but I'm looking for 1944-45 vintage :)
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Postby Jimster » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:36 pm

I cannot help you but your photos are cool. It would be fun to try on a German tanker uniform like that one. Just for the hell of it.
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:39 pm

Jimster wrote:I cannot help you but your photos are cool. It would be fun to try on a German tanker uniform like that one. Just for the hell of it.


:D I bet if we did a poll, to find out which WW2 Army had the coolest uniforms (and no, I don't mean Winter kit)- most would probably say German. :D
I think, however, that the stereotypical Gestapo leather coat and black outfit appeal to those with unrequited dominance tendencies :D That said, I always rather fancied the black Luftwaffe leather flying jacket, as worn by Hardy Krüger playing Franz Von Werra in 'The one that got away'. (1957, a somewhat embroidered tale of derring-do, involving Luftwaffe POW escapee Lt. Von Werra).

I used to use my German M43 Stahlhelm as a hardhat, for D-I-Y outdoor building jobs. Honestly. That was until the neighbours began to titter. :lolno:
Yes, the tanker kit would be great for car maintenance, but I'd not want to get too much grease on it. Moreover, the iron cross and combat insignia would probably get me outfitted with a tartan straitjacket. :crazy:

I guess if you're a Panzer re-enactor, you can get away with it :shh:

I'm using this pic as basis for my Jagdpanther commander:
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Postby Jimster » Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:58 pm

I wouldn’t mind having the one piece German coveralls seen on some Eastern Front tankers. Like the one my loader wears on my Leningrad Tiger.
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:11 pm

I am aware that many uniforms were designed by Hugo Boss back then. Look at this jokers tie !.............not what I would have figured to be a necessary accouterment for fighting a tank !

Perhaps when facing the British they felt the need to dress in a more formal way than when facing Russians or Americans :wtf:
Facing Kiwis or Aussies they could get away with shorts & a singlet while wearing jandals/Thongs or gumboots :haha: :haha:

Either way, the 'Panzerwrap' seems to have an air of sinister nobility about it for me.
Best of luck to you in the painting figure department mate, no way I can do it.
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Postby Jimster » Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:41 pm

I very very seldom wear cologne but when I do it’s Hugo Boss. It’s amazing how many brands still exist that have nazi connections.
Now back to our regularly scheduled thread.
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Postby quitcherbitchen » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:28 am

You guys are too funny. I had to look up titter in the dictionary. Also, I forgot how young these kids were driving these Tanks around in designer uniforms. Thanks for the picture and the titter. :haha:
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:59 am

quitcherbitchen wrote:You guys are too funny. I had to look up titter in the dictionary. Also, I forgot how young these kids were driving these Tanks around in designer uniforms. Thanks for the picture and the titter. :haha:


:D :thumbup:
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:19 am

I still haven't found the RAL designation for the medal ribbon, however, I did discover something I was unaware of before, and it is that StuG crews didn't wear tough and Boss (literally :haha: ) black Panzer outfits. :) No, they wore this slightly more anaemic getup:
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Lots of useful detail, nonetheless. Incidentally, I don't know whether 'Pink Colorisation' is a process or a movement. It's a great photo, though- considering it was taken so long ago. :thumbup:
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:10 am

StuG teams were part of the Artillery back early, so went with the Artillery type uniform apparently. "Sturmartillerie".
Either way, they are still very brave men/kids and did their duty as asked by their nation.
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Postby jarndice » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:47 am

There have been so many films of and about WW2 since it's end and the Uniforms and ancillaries have to be sourced from somewhere so that might be a decent starting point.
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:53 am

HERMAN BIX wrote:StuG teams were part of the Artillery back early, so went with the Artillery type uniform apparently. "Sturmartillerie".
Either way, they are still very brave men/kids and did their duty as asked by their nation.


No doubt about it, HB. :) I've often thought I'd rather be in a tank than an Assault vehicle (StuG etc.,), mostly because the turret provides the gun with a more rapid traverse, and greater all-round movement. I think StuGs/Tank hunters relied more on concealment, and hull down locations than tanks, most likely because of the gun aiming limitations. Aiming would also depend more on the driver's skill than it would in a turreted tank. :problem:
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:07 pm

jarndice wrote:There have been so many films of and about WW2 since it's end and the Uniforms and ancillaries have to be sourced from somewhere so that might be a decent starting point.


I've been looking, Shaun. I found that Cinnabar-red might be the colour used, and that Rose-pink was used for the piping on Panzer uniforms. Finding the right acrylic in the Vallejo/AK range is not so simple, however. Incidentally, the same red was used on the collar patches of generals, I believe, and elsewhere. I've ordered a Vallejo scarlet as a starting point.
Some of the most readily accessible details of insignia and uniforms can be found on Wikipedia, in fact. A source I'd overlooked. :)
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Here's the death's head and Pink piping on the Panzer collar patch, for example. Painting piping on a 1/16 scale figure will be a hell of a challenge. :wtf:
I've ordered some very fine brushes, and a fine single malt (medicinal- to steady the nerves and hand :haha: ).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_and ... Army_(1935–1945)#Collar_patches

Here's a useful site on painting flesh tones: the biggest nightmare of all 8O 'Tis a pity that tankers didn't use facial camo cream and paint. Camo would be on means of avoiding a 'Crazy Joe' outcome :lolno:
https://www.craftsy.com/post/mixing-paint-skin-tones/#
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:57 pm

Well, I never did find the right RAL colour for the red- or even the pink piping on Panzer uniforms. I've ordered a whole set of primary and basic acrylic colours to simulate these tones.
Lately, however, I've hit something of a wall looking at skin tones. :problem: Tamiya and Vallejo do a 'flesh' tone for Europeans, but I'm wondering what colours to add to these
to provide highlights and shadows. Any ideas? I know you're supposed to use Burnt Sienna, white, and several others. Then, it also occurred to me, how to does one go about simulating blonde or even red/ginger hair?? :wtf: (the genes for both of which are present in my own family). I'm okay with landscapes, fruit and flora, but I've never attempted to paint a human face before (my kids, and Halloween, excepted :D ), that is. :problem:
Then I clapped eyes on this incredible painting by Takaishi Makoto :O :
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How on Earth does he get those skin and eye tones? What colours could he possibly mix?
The pic's all the more amazing when you discover that it's in 1/35 scale!!. 8O
Apparently, this model painter is something of a celebrity, and gets a mention in Mig Jimenez' blog.
Here's another jawdropper:
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Here's a link to Mig's visit to Japan, where he encountered the maestro...
https://migjimenez.blogspot.com/2011/05 ... japan.html
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Postby EAO » Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:02 am

I think I even see a bit of a beard stubble! No idea on how this is humanly possible...at least not with my eyes! Can't even imagine... a one hair paint brush?! :wtf: :crazy:

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Postby Jimster » Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:33 am

Wow! I have some repainting to do. :{
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:44 pm

EAO wrote:I think I even see a bit of a beard stubble! No idea on how this is humanly possible...at least not with my eyes! Can't even imagine... a one hair paint brush?! :wtf: :crazy:

Cheers,
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:eh: Yes, one of Popeye's hairs perhaps, Eric...with some magical spinach energy in it. What gets me, though, is how perfectly blended the tones are. 8O ...at 1:35. Takaishi must have utterly shake-free hands, as I think that even a computer-controlled airbrush (if such a thing exists- and if it did, it would probably be Japanese) would be hard pushed to emulate this.
Apparently, Takaishi's work is featured regularly in Armor (sic) Modelling magazine- there's a reference here, but I've not been able to track the mag down:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/missing ... 18331.html
I see now, that he has three masterclass books on Amazon.com. They're pretty expensive.
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https://www.amazon.com/s?i=stripbooks&r ... _sr_book_1
Whilst it can be depressing, for the novice dauber, seeing such accomplished work- it's also something to aim for. ;)
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:48 pm

Jimster wrote:Wow! I have some repainting to do. :{


:D It's always humbling- and inspiring too, to see what can be done with a paintbrush (apart from extracting unwanted earwax.. :lolno: ). But if he also uses an airbrush, as is suggested in references to his work, I wonder how it's possible, unless he has a one foot tall Rob Ross operating a miniature one!. :)
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:53 pm

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I've just ordered a set of these from Amazon, in the (forlorn- :problem:) hope of getting anything vaguely human looking in the physog dept. :)
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Postby silversurfer1947 » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:07 am

Have a look on YouTube for Dave Youngquist face painting. The videos helped me with my figure painting. Of course, it also helps if you have a degree of artistic talent, which I do not.
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