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Early m4a1

PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:56 pm
by Exhibitedbrute
Hello fellow tankers.

So since the lock down came in and due to my dads I’ll health at the moment I have lost access to the 3D printer.

As a result I am still scratching my head on how to turn this
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Into this
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Any theories please?

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:06 pm
by Exhibitedbrute
Also does anyone know much about mk modelbau hvss suspension?

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:14 pm
by sassgrunt
Nick Aguilar used to make the early M4 turret, but don't know if he still does. I did see this one for sale: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sherman-turret ... Swmi1ciQf0 It might be worth contacting him and seeing if you can buy just the mantlet parts to use on your turret.

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:48 pm
by Exhibitedbrute
Yeah he still makes them but I already started work on it now so will see what happens I’m sure I will eventually achieve the same result as a printer

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:29 pm
by 43rdRecceReg
For visual convenience, I turned those into these. :)
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Sherman Turret 1
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Sherman Turret 2
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Looks like a great objective to have :thumbup:

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:49 pm
by Exhibitedbrute
That’s better. So work so far filled the loader hatch as early turret didn’t have one and sliced the gun shield down to just the centre part. As you can see in the photo there is some file work to be done as it’s still a little wide. Will be filed down to just inside the bolt holes to start with. I have found a barrel in my stash that will suit now it’s been shortened

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:22 am
by Estnische
As you know, I will be watching on. Lots of photos please.

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:38 am
by Estnische
'Ere then, Roy. Where is the build that goes with those photos?

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Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:01 am
by Son of a gun-ner
Mr Exhibitedbrute. Just what "Tips and Tricks" are you teaching us here :think:

Is this going to be the start of an "Other Builds?" Or just a "General Questions?"

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:02 am
by Exhibitedbrute
Teaching none. I’m asking for some. I will stick some photos up of where I have got to at some point. Not much more than that though I’m waiting for parts

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:30 am
by Son of a gun-ner
Exhibitedbrute wrote:Teaching none. I’m asking for some. I will stick some photos up of where I have got to at some point. Not much more than that though I’m waiting for parts

This section is for sharing what tips and tricks YOU have.
It says so under Tips and Tricks
I'll move it to general questions.

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 3:15 pm
by Exhibitedbrute
So after some parts finally got delivered yesterday and after a painstaking 4 hours I have turned two of the standard HL bogie in to this.

Also made a little progress on the turret

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 7:52 pm
by Estnische
Those bogies look good.

Did your commander's hatch come like that or did you fill the opening?

Did you change the barrel?

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 8:28 pm
by Exhibitedbrute
Estnische wrote:Those bogies look good.

Did your commander's hatch come like that or did you fill the opening?

Did you change the barrel?


There is a proper 75mm turret available on eBay from Russia. Mine is a firefly turret from forgebear so the loader hatch has been filled in. Filler paint will take care of the outline when I can get some. But it does mean I will have to build the mantle for it like on the a2 above that my dad built for me

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 8:32 pm
by Son of a gun-ner
Yes, those bogies do look good :thumbup:

May I ask where you got those conversions from Mr Exhibitedbrute?

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 8:37 pm
by Exhibitedbrute
Son of a gun-ner wrote:Yes, those bogies do look good :thumbup:

May I ask where you got those conversions from Mr Exhibitedbrute?

Indeed you can mr gunner. I was going to print them my self but I then discovered that warren huddsen has them on shapeways. Though I find them expensive the plastic they print with is far tougher than any I have so all in all I’m in pressed.

When I do the other side I will post some more detailed photos so you can see the alterations needed if that helps

He also does the early wheels which I will buy rather than have my dad print. Again because the plastic they use is so much tougher

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 8:52 pm
by Exhibitedbrute
That is if I change the wheels because although many photos of the El Alamein a1 has the spoked wheels but one of the earliest a1 examples the tank museum have are pressed spoked wheels so I can only assume they used both. Factory dependant

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 9:57 pm
by Son of a gun-ner
Thanks for the info.

As for museum pieces, you can't always go on them for historic accuracy, when they restore some vehicles, they sometimes use whatever they can get.

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 10:40 pm
by Exhibitedbrute
According to some articles I have found the one they have at bovington is alleged to be one of 2 prototypes. It is claimed to still be in original condition apart from a lick of paint. It does seem to have a few prototype fittings such as it machine guns in the bow but the wheels are not what we expect to see on early a1s. That being said there are some a2s that where also used in the desert that seem to have the early spoked or pressed spoked. Some go as far as having both but I put that down to front line repairs

Re: Early m4a1

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 11:00 pm
by Son of a gun-ner
Well, you must be talking about Sherman Michael, that was the second one off of the production line. And the 75mm barrel it has today isn't the original one, the original barrel was the very short 75 with the counterweight. Like I said, you can't rely on museum pieces, the original photos of Michael taken during the war show some differences.

I do wonder why the barrel was changed, the tank never left England or saw battle.