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Postby paulc » Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:15 pm

Quick question I'm about to start working on a Tamiya panther and Jagdpanther that I brought 2d hand and want to add some detailing to them. I want to put chains on the track holders on the side but what size do I use and where in the UK can you get some
I did mean the chains that are on the pins to keep the spare track in place in the holders. I know these are small but I don't want to get some that are out of scale
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:07 pm

I always get my chains on eBay. Simply search costume jewelry chains. Antique finish then just requires a dirty wash. Buy it by the metre for around £1 and have plenty of spare. Size depends on what you are simulating but just as important is type, that is the link type, flat, twisted etc. but all sorts are there for peanuts :thumbup:
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Postby Eastern Front » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:33 pm

Never seen any chains on tanks, they carried their own recovery cables.. The only time I have seen chains is on wheeled vehicles.
As a rule, tanks were too heavy for chains, or more accurately you would have to use anchor chain to recover a tank as it would have similar strength as the tow cables.

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Postby STHV » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:51 pm

Eastern Front wrote:Never seen any chains on tanks, they carried their own recovery cables.. The only time I have seen chains is on wheeled vehicles.
As a rule, tanks were too heavy for chains, or more accurately you would have to use anchor chain to recover a tank as it would have similar strength as the tow cables.

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He means the tiny chains that held the spare track holder pins and stopped them getting lost
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Postby jarndice » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:23 pm

Military vehicles retain fuel and inspection caps and tow hook pintle pins and sundry other small loose articles by chaining them in place,
Larger items such as pickaxe Handles and Spades are usually held down by leather or canvas straps,
German Tanks had a plethora of Wing/Butterfly nuts used as constituent parts of the many clamps holding down Tow Ropes and Gun Barrel cleaning rods as well as Radio Aerials and all manner of Tools.
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Postby Eastern Front » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:27 pm

STHV wrote:
Eastern Front wrote:Never seen any chains on tanks, they carried their own recovery cables.. The only time I have seen chains is on wheeled vehicles.
As a rule, tanks were too heavy for chains, or more accurately you would have to use anchor chain to recover a tank as it would have similar strength as the tow cables.

Hope this helps...

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He means the tiny chains that held the spare track holder pins and stopped them getting lost


Ahhhh...ok,,,thought he was wanting to attach a tow chain to the side...Of course he was talking about the little itty bitty chain to hold the pins :haha:

If you buy the metal upgrade track holder, it comes with the metal pins and chains.. I have a few sets myself
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Postby Max-U52 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:52 pm

Have you got a link for the metal track link holders that you mentioned? I would very much appreciate that. I have three different Panthers that all need those holders.
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Postby PainlessWolf » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:35 pm

Good Afternoon,
Crazy Joe sees you and goes you one better! ;o)
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:10 pm

No Painless, EF has already said 'Never seen any chains on tanks' so that last image must be incorrect. No, wait.... that was no tank, it was a Sherman Sh*t mover! Always covered in garbage :haha:
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:24 pm

There are various period film footage segments showing tracked vehicles towing wheeled ones in mud in Russia using chain.
I assume many vehicles carried chain for this purpose in certain theatres rather than try to attach their larger cables onto vehicles not set up with tow points that can accept the large eye on the end.
Supposition at best but it’s plausible & on archived film .

I promised myself that any other Panther I did after my Zu Fuss would get purchased spare track hangers rather that made ones............it’s just easier, or I’m lazier !! :think:
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Postby jarndice » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:21 pm

It was a Court Martial offence in the German Armed Forces for a Tiger to tow another Tiger although there are photographs that show it happening.
The problem was that the 2/3 Famo's that were needed to do the job were almost never available.
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:07 am

Indeed there are photos out there of a Tiger pulling a Tiger pulling a dead Tiger! The fragile gearboxes was, l understand, the towing problem.
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Postby Jimster » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:32 am

It would have been difficult for me to not help a fellow Tiger tank/crew out of a bad jam by attempting to tow them to safety. Maybe I would’ve been shot.

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Postby Eastern Front » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:39 am

HERMAN BIX wrote:There are various period film footage segments showing tracked vehicles towing wheeled ones in mud in Russia using chain.
I assume many vehicles carried chain for this purpose in certain theatres rather than try to attach their larger cables onto vehicles not set up with tow points that can accept the large eye on the end.
Supposition at best but it’s plausible & on archived film .

I promised myself that any other Panther I did after my Zu Fuss would get purchased spare track hangers rather that made ones............it’s just easier, or I’m lazier !! :think:


Yup Herman, we know this---However you would Never see a Tank with chain,, if they used the chain it was from the other vehicle. scouring my references I am yet to see a tank with tow chain... only wheeled vehicles
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Postby jarndice » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:46 am

The Famo's usually used Tow Bars rarely did they use Tow Ropes or chains.
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Postby Eastern Front » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:46 am

Max-U52 wrote:Have you got a link for the metal track link holders that you mentioned? I would very much appreciate that. I have three different Panthers that all need those holders.


Yup,
Here is one version: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/schumo- ... r--1028430

I have the ones that is all one piece holders unlike this set
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Postby PainlessWolf » Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:53 am

Awwwwww, General Jumbo,
How many Shermans have you got in your 'collection'?
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Postby Max-U52 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:39 am

Eastern Front wrote:
Max-U52 wrote:Have you got a link for the metal track link holders that you mentioned? I would very much appreciate that. I have three different Panthers that all need those holders.


Yup,
Here is one version: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/schumo- ... r--1028430

I have the ones that is all one piece holders unlike this set


Thanks, but I'm after the one piece jobs myself. I'd go nuts putting all those individual hangers in place.
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Postby Eastern Front » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:51 am

I cannot remember where I got them,,,will look and see what I can come up with..I have the individual ones too, they aren't so hard to install...
I will post a link when I find it..

Wechoe: https://www.rctank.de/Jagdpanther-Panth ... nks-holder

This is the set I have: http://www.tankzone.co.uk/images/wecohe ... MCL=GRS5sj

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Postby paulc » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:32 am

The Wechoe set is just what I want to do But I will be looking around £50 cost for both the panther and Jagdpanther. I can make the holders and pins its just what size chain I use is the issue. Just don't want to be ordering chain and the finding its to big

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