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Postby ronnie42 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:19 pm

Been looking for recoil measurements, turret rotation time and tank max kms to scale . Just thinking why detail a tank and do a nice paintwork if it still performs like a toy. Would be nice to find a web page that give a run down of rc scale information for all the popular tanks. The aftermarket boards can be programmed , getting all the info is hard work and as always lots of different answers.

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Postby mutt71 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:46 pm

This a great idea. I also want the turret to turn, the Tank to drive, recoil of the main gun barrel, true to scale. Like you, I wish I knew where to find this info. I eagerly await developments to your search.

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Postby jarndice » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:02 pm

:haha: :haha: You don't want much do you ?
The day after my Heng Long 1/16 Centurion with metal hull arrives I shall sit down and go through all the Tank handbooks from Little Willy in 1917 upto the Abrams of today and copy down the required information and post it here.

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Postby Ragnar » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:11 pm

jarndice wrote::haha: :haha: You don't want much do you ?
The day after my Heng Long 1/16 Centurion with metal hull arrives I shall sit down and go through all the Tank handbooks from Little Willy in 1917 upto the Abrams of today and copy down the required information and post it here.


Oo,oo,ol Jarndice thank you for volunteering to step up to the plate ....can’t wait to know what the rotation speed of Red 13s turret suppose to be!, :clap:
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Postby STHV » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:32 pm

I will be doing this with my tanks hopefully
Most likely I will just pull the performance data from War Thunder and scale it down to 1/16 as its quite accurate because they take the data from the original documents and captured vehicle tests
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Postby STHV » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:43 pm

Ragnar wrote:
jarndice wrote::haha: :haha: You don't want much do you ?
The day after my Heng Long 1/16 Centurion with metal hull arrives I shall sit down and go through all the Tank handbooks from Little Willy in 1917 upto the Abrams of today and copy down the required information and post it here.


Oo,oo,ol Jarndice thank you for volunteering to step up to the plate ....can’t wait to know what the rotation speed of Red 13s turret suppose to be!, :clap:


If I am correct in saying that Red 13 is a mid production model Ausf E Tiger then it should have a turret traverse speed of at maxiumum 14 degrees per second due to the RPM assist from the engine however if it is idle it would only be able to reach about 8
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Postby jarndice » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:51 pm

I would not build up your hopes if I was you,
I shall be pushing up daisies long before Heng Long come up with a 1/16 metal hulled Centurion MkV11 :lolno:

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Postby ronnie42 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:17 pm

OK lets make a start KINGTIGER.
Turret rotation one turn high rpm 19s low rpm 77s very slow by hand.
Gun recoil a Flak43/41 = 120 cm , someone said half for muzzle brake =60 cm.
Spielberger 38cm-58cm ammo used?
Tamiya 16*37.5mm = 60cm found 2 saying 24mm and roundabout 30mm on 1/16 model
elevation/ depression 15/8 degrees
Top speed 38 km/h road ,cross country 15-20 km/h and reverse max 12km/h.
4km/h is walking speed so 2.4 km/h would be just over half normal walking speed for road , cross country 1/4 of walking speed.

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Postby Eastern Front » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:33 am

Frankly, I would love to get into a tank battle (1/16 scale of course) where the people actually fight and drive the models like the real thing.
I drive mine slow, even though they can go fast I drive them as close to scale as I can. Another thing that drives me crazy is when someone shoots then sweeps the tank (spins) to get a hit (not very realistic). So whats the point of building to scale, painting, weathering etc. if you are going to drive it and fight it like a toy/video game?

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Postby General Jumbo01 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:29 am

Couldn't agree more but l got little support in a previous thread for developing new battle standard rules with a new mfu board developed to support this. The general public may be amused but won't impressed by our shows.

That said, checkout RC battle ship battles on utube. Watching scale ships chase sound a lake on the plane, even in reverse, is impressive but not for the right reasons :crazy:
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Postby Raminator » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:04 pm

I've found that wardrawings.be is a good source for this kind of data. Each vehicle's page contains a link to a datasheet that has all sorts of useful information on it; it's where I managed to find the elevation and traverse limits for the SU-152.
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Postby jarndice » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:39 pm

A very nice site my Australian friend,
I can see me wasting far too much time poring over it :haha:

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Postby Tiger6 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:51 pm

I would be cautious when using that site as a reference to be honest, there are many glaring errors in his illustrations.

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Postby jarndice » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:01 pm

The first thing I noticed when viewing the Tiger 1 early was the Tow Ropes were laid out as if they were from a later variant and not reversed as of course they should be on the early, I also noted the monocular gunners sight in the early when as far as I know that was not fitted until the very end of the Late Tiger 1 production run. But there is a lot to like besides the errors.

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Postby Tiger6 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:14 pm

As with most things on the internet, always cross check with other sources before assuming it to be the gospel :haha:

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Postby STHV » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:15 pm

I have spotted some errors in the performance data too
The Panther Ausf D according to this site has a front plate angled back at 35 degrees lol, it should be 55 and there is zero mention of the HL 210 engine despite it being fitted to the first 250 Panthers
It also lists a large number of completely fake vehicles like E-90, E-100 Tiger Ausf B and Panther II with a schmalturm and an 88mm
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Postby Tiger6 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:22 pm

In fairness to the guy he's not presenting his site as anything other than artwork, and it is available to us for free. I have a far bigger beef with those that charge for their work in print books and present them as 'plans' :lolno:

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:31 pm

That's because the HL 210 was only fitted in the first Tiger 1's, not Panthers. By the time Panthers were deployed, the order had already gone out to discontinue the 210 and swap it for the 230 at any opportunity.
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Postby STHV » Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:11 pm

Son of a gun-ner wrote:That's because the HL 210 was only fitted in the first Tiger 1's, not Panthers. By the time Panthers were deployed, the order had already gone out to discontinue the 210 and swap it for the 230 at any opportunity.

That isnt quite true
https://i.gyazo.com/fd49cd96c57553131bc ... d6811a.png
https://i.gyazo.com/91cbdc9383f0e3df213 ... 917c4b.png

HL 210 was swapped for the 230 only in May 1943
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:34 pm

Well, as the factory only built 250 HL 210's, and they put the majority in the Tiger 1's which was an earlier tank than the Panther, they may have put the odd one or two in a couple of Panthers for testing till they got the better engines from the production line.
What you've shown is the only reference to the later 250 Panthers having those earlier engines instead of the earlier Tiger 1's.
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