Blueprints for an AEC MK II?
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Re: Blueprints for an AEC MK II?
My previous response, concerning the type of electronic controller package that could be used with an armoured car project, now looks a bit like a non sequitur. I thought I saw a query here about suitable controller systems...but, it appears, I must have been hallucinating. I guess it must have come from another thread, or 'senior moment'. In any event, the details are still valid, I think.
As for the dimensions, the basic ones can be found here. The detailed dimensions could be worked out from a scale blueprint, in conjunction with these.
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/g ... ed_Car.php
As for the dimensions, the basic ones can be found here. The detailed dimensions could be worked out from a scale blueprint, in conjunction with these.
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/g ... ed_Car.php
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Re: Blueprints for an AEC MK II?
I will say one thing about dimensions on that site, I noticed a mistake with the Matilda length as well as some other dimensions elsewhere. And there is no point checking the dimensions using Wikipedia, because either Wikipedia get their dimensions from the tank encyclopedia site, or the other way around, I've noticed the identical mistakes on both sites, so, if I was a teacher, I'd know one was cheating on the test.
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As long as the basic dimensions are pretty much correct, it doesn't matter a whole lot so long as the finer measurements are consistent within the model itself. Ideally, a visit to a museum with a tape measureSon of a gun-ner wrote:I will say one thing about dimensions on that site, I noticed a mistake with the Matilda length as well as some other dimensions elsewhere. And there is no point checking the dimensions using Wikipedia, because either Wikipedia get their dimensions from the tank encyclopedia site, or the other way around, I've noticed the identical mistakes on both sites, so, if I was a teacher, I'd know one was cheating on the test.
would produce the nerd-satisfying dimensions we'd like (Tamiya researchers too); but failing that, blueprints can be used in conjunction with photographs to get measurements that'll keep the various parts of the model in scale with one another.
No one wants a Tiger-sized turret sitting atop a Panzer IV, for instance- even if it would make an interesting hybrid, or Jarndice nightmare...
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Re: Blueprints for an AEC MK II?
Just twigged how my MFU comment seemed like a non sequitur. It's because Spiky has a similar thread running concurrently.. : His 'Anyone any ideas for a build' thread
Och well, maybe my senior moment was more like middle-aged.
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Re: Blueprints for an AEC MK II?
I have serious doubts about using sites like Blueprints - their publically available images seem to have been scanned in from books or instruction sheets from various models, and I doubt the paid content is any better (honestly I wonder how they are still functioning, given the sheer volume of copyright infringement on display?).
Even in trying to knock up the basic space claim model for the other thread, I found inconsitancies between views in George Bradford's 'so called AFV Plans' At least if you have the kit in your hands you won't have these problems - it might well be wrong when compared with the real thing, but at least you won't be scratching your head trying to reconcile 2D side and top views that simply do not line up...
Even in trying to knock up the basic space claim model for the other thread, I found inconsitancies between views in George Bradford's 'so called AFV Plans' At least if you have the kit in your hands you won't have these problems - it might well be wrong when compared with the real thing, but at least you won't be scratching your head trying to reconcile 2D side and top views that simply do not line up...
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Re: Blueprints for an AEC MK II?
Roy, the length of a Matilda tank is a pretty important "basic" dimension lol.
One example, on both sites it has the length in feet and inches, and also meters, but the conversion is well off, and it's a case of which ones correct.
My point is that one should double check online dimensions, but with the warning that the above mentioned sites can't be used to check one or the other.
One example, on both sites it has the length in feet and inches, and also meters, but the conversion is well off, and it's a case of which ones correct.
My point is that one should double check online dimensions, but with the warning that the above mentioned sites can't be used to check one or the other.
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Re: Blueprints for an AEC MK II?
Hi again,
Don't worry, the kit is on its way so hopefully using useless sites will not be necessary.
Don't worry, the kit is on its way so hopefully using useless sites will not be necessary.
Re: Blueprints for an AEC MK II?
Give me a shout when you get started on the CAD Spiky - assuming that you are using Fusion 360 I might have a few bits and pieces like the WPL motor and axles that might prove useful to you
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Re: Blueprints for an AEC MK II?
Interesting, but I often wonder where makers of RTR models, and kits in 1/35 get their dimensions from. Tamiya do send reps out, to get the vital statistics on armoured vehicles from Museums, and armour collections;Tiger6 wrote:I have serious doubts about using sites like Blueprints - their publically available images seem to have been scanned in from books or instruction sheets from various models, and I doubt the paid content is any better (honestly I wonder how they are still functioning, given the sheer volume of copyright infringement on display?).
Even in trying to knock up the basic space claim model for the other thread, I found inconsitancies between views in George Bradford's 'so called AFV Plans' At least if you have the kit in your hands you won't have these problems - it might well be wrong when compared with the real thing, but at least you won't be scratching your head trying to reconcile 2D side and top views that simply do not line up...
but what do the other players do? A Tamiya 1/35 model is a good sort of maquette/ artist's model for the bigger version because of the amount of research that went into it. I used their Cromwell, for instance for my Ludwig Cromwell build, but who's to say where other firms get their dimensions from?
Quite a lot of the blueprints on the Dutch site a produced by one man, it seems, Dr Saranga. That's a hell of a body of work for one man. Still, drawings can be had from official sources, such as the British Library, the IWM and so on, but I'm pretty sure he can't have accessed all of their stuff. However, the drawings I've used for the Cromwell, and Comet are pretty accurate, and so I find the resource very useful, if used with caution.
For my Comet build, I used a mix of dimensions and pics I took at the Munster Museum, and Bovington. The blueprints were useful reminders of components on various Marks of tank, as well as relative sizes. I also used pics from a reputable technical history.
Taking an average of all of these seems the best way to go, in my opinion.
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Re: Blueprints for an AEC MK II?
Always good to get more than one source, especially if that one source is George BradfordTaking an average of all of these seems the best way to go, in my opinion.
Also to add - anything by Hillary Doyle is as good as you are going to get