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Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 5:12 am
by Jimster
I’m wondering if the initial production “Leningrad” Tiger had the blue cylindrical convoy light. I’ve also heard of them having a reflector instead of a light. Could someone shed some light on this for me and suggest a vendor for the part. Thanks in advance for any help.

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 10:24 am
by Jofaur86
Hello, :D
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phare_Notek
There are several versions of the convoy fires,concerning the color they were generally located on left side,above the muguard génerally of three different colors,according to the position of the tank in the convoy,i have to search? Seen to have that in my archives there was also at the bottom of the chassis on the left a round ( red ) reflective, i search and send :thumbup:
PS : desoled,my inglihs no perfect :{

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 1:54 pm
by Jimster
Thanks for the info. I’m still wondering what, if any, lights were on the rear of initial production Tigers. I’ve tried net searches but the closest I’ve found is references to reflectors and a grainy photo of a rectangular part located where the later convoy lights were located. I want my tank as accurate as possible.

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 3:13 pm
by jarndice
Because we are presently on holiday in Mauritius and will be for another two weeks I do not have access to any of my sources of reference but from memory the circular rear reflector was first fitted to the initial production Tiger 1 and it was located at the base of the rear panel to the left of the " Left hand side Idler Tension cover".
The Cylindrical "Convoy" light which was within the left fender hinge cutout was first fitted in August 1942 the colour emitted by it has always been in dispute but it has become accepted to have been blue,
I would like to see "JOFAUR 86" source as he seems to have access to the holy grail.
Must go we have the dive boat booked for the whole afternoon.

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 3:21 pm
by Son of a gun-ner
Tiger 131 then and now, followed by a 1943 picture of another Tiger. Hope they help.

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 3:33 pm
by jarndice
Hi Mick, I think the bottom picture is of "813" which has the early 3 section rectangular exhaust shrouds as fitted to the first 50 Tunisian Tiger 1s.
There is a photograph in "Tigers in Combat" which shows the complete rear panel in close up of a Tunisian Tiger 1 on a ferry from Italy to North Africa,
Anyone building an early Early Tiger 1 could do worse than use that picture as a source of reference.

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 3:35 pm
by Son of a gun-ner
jarndice wrote:Hi Mick, I think the bottom picture is of "813" which has the early 3 section rectangular exhaust shrouds as fitted to the first 50 Tunisian Tiger 1s.
There is a photograph in "Tigers in Combat" which shows the complete rear panel in close up of a Tunisian Tiger 1 on a ferry from Italy to North Africa,
Anyone building an early Early Tiger 1 could do worse than use that picture as a source of reference.

If you look at the side of the turret, it has a 2 on the side, not a 3

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 3:39 pm
by Son of a gun-ner
I took this picture from my Tiger 131 book, I know it's a recent picture, but shows the rear fender area more clearly, which can be seen that the museum hasn't altered that area since the tank was first discovered :thumbup:

Oops, forgot the picture :{ lol

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 3:57 pm
by jarndice
As I don't have my books with me I cannot give the exact details BUT 813 was a renumbered Tiger 1 as were many others in the Battalion.

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 4:01 pm
by Son of a gun-ner
jarndice wrote:As I don't have my books with me I cannot give the exact details BUT 813 was a renumbered Tiger 1 as were many others in the Battalion.

Oh I don't know, swan off somewhere nice, and leave us in limbo, doesn't cost much more to take an extra case of books with you just in case they're needed. . . .

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 6:44 pm
by Jimster
More web searching taught me a few things. The very earliest Tigers had the old square type convoy lights with four rectangular openings. Pictures of the captured Tiger 101 shows no light at all but may have been removed. I’ll have to scratch build for sure and use a small LED or something to make it light up. I’ll hook it up to the headlight wires. I’ve also read that contrary to popular belief the lights were not blue but more of a greenish color. Thanks for all the input.

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 6:47 pm
by Jimster
Like this. The bottom flap lifts up revealing a red light and an orange light.

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 6:51 pm
by Jimster
One more pic. I promise.

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 7:17 pm
by Son of a gun-ner
Mr Jimster, look what I found (half way down the page), although it looks like a 1/6th scale. Look familiar :D

PzKpfw IV Ausf F2 G B11 of PzRgt29 12th t
http://despicto.pw/PzKpfw-IV-Ausf-F2-G- ... 2th-t.html

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 8:20 pm
by Jimster
Well, I’ll be damned! I must be on the right track with this build.

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 8:24 pm
by Son of a gun-ner
Jimster wrote:Well, I’ll be damned! I must be on the right track with this build.

One would think you've seen that before ;)

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 8:29 pm
by Jimster
Wish I had. Would’ve made life easier.

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 8:38 pm
by Son of a gun-ner
I must have worded my search differently to you :think:

I guess it was a cool find :thumbup:

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 9:41 pm
by Jimster
Funny thing about the number 101. I didn’t want to represent #100 because it was captured so early in the war. The only 1/16 early decal set I could find was for the 100 so I ordered two sets to make the number 101. I wonder if this fellow did the same thing?

Re: Initial Production Tiger Convoy Light?

PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 10:17 pm
by Son of a gun-ner
Jimster wrote:Funny thing about the number 101. I didn’t want to represent #100 because it was captured so early in the war. The only 1/16 early decal set I could find was for the 100 so I ordered two sets to make the number 101. I wonder if this fellow did the same thing?

Maybe you'll find some answers here.

Scratch built Initial Tiger I project - THE SIXTH DIVISION
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/onesixt ... 0bbba402bb