IR compatibity

If you have a tank query and you can't find the answer anywhere else, post here. (TIP - Check for answers in FAQ, use the 'search' facility or even check this board before posting here).

Postby General Jumbo01 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:47 pm

Whatever happened to standards?

I have just acquired a cheap Torro Tiger1 with the IR Battle System. All l wanted it for is to use it for Target practice using my Torro 'pro spec' T34 IR. Being both Torro l foolishly assumed compatibility would exist but on opening the manual it states it will work with the T34 in the same box type. No more info!

So.. I sat the pair in front of each other and tried things out. The cheap Tiger caused the expensive T34 to react correctly to a hit but the Tiger didn't react at all to a hit from the T34.

My IS-2 uses the same Taigen IR system as the Torro T34 but the IS-2 reacted normally to a hit from the Tiger but consistently prematurely died on the second hit (should survive the first 4). Again, the IS-2 was unable to score a hit on the Tiger.

I would dearly like to know what's going on but the Torro Tiger appears to be a sealed unit - no screws anywhere - so fearing breakage I've not gained access to see what units are within.

No fear, l thought. Someone here will be able to explain the problem and offer a solution.... fingers crossed!
User avatar
General Jumbo01
Corporal
 
Posts: 433
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:06 pm
Location: I'm a Londoner that moved to Essex. Says it all really...:(

Postby silversurfer1947 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:34 pm

I think the Tiger may have been the WSN/Torro Tiger. The WSN system is, I believe, only compatible with other WSN tanks, i.e the T34. They are not actually Torro tanks.
User avatar
silversurfer1947
2nd Lieutenant
 
Posts: 2557
Joined: Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:54 pm
Location: Bristol, UK

Postby c.rainford73 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:27 am

This is exactly what I experienced when I battled my son's wsn Torro T-34 cheap tank vs. My taigen full metal Sherman tank! I honestly wasn't expecting anything to happen at all......

My son hit me repeatedly and my Sherman shuttered and shut down. :crazy:

My sons t-34 didn't take a hit at all from my taigen unit!

So he won the day :wave:
User avatar
c.rainford73
Major
 
Posts: 5327
Joined: Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:34 pm
Location: Connecticut USA

Postby jarndice » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:48 am

I assume that you did what all fathers do in such situations and informed the child that he obviously did not yet understand the finer points of Battling and that to show him how to do it properly you would swap tanks this being for his best interests of course. :haha:

jarndice
Captain
 
Posts: 5000
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:27 am
Location: the mountains of hertfordshire

Postby General Jumbo01 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:20 pm

In my case my son would probably still beat me!

Though disappointed that Torro's site doesn't mention incompatibility and Amazon's description was non-existent (l was bored an was browsing their Spring Sale), I'm actually okay with the model for the price. I could fit a good smoke bomb under it and use it for scenic purposes, BUT...

If someone out there knows how to get in side it I'd be happy to refit it with something better/ more compatible.
User avatar
General Jumbo01
Corporal
 
Posts: 433
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:06 pm
Location: I'm a Londoner that moved to Essex. Says it all really...:(

Postby General Jumbo01 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:16 pm

Okay, some good news on the compatibility front. My LG tv appears to be compatible with the Torro Tiger - the channel + key always scores a direct hit! This probably means that my smart watches can take out the Tiger too since they are loaded with the LG app. Not sure how the LG ever binded though??

The saga continues....exciting, isn't it..zzzzzzzzzz
User avatar
General Jumbo01
Corporal
 
Posts: 433
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:06 pm
Location: I'm a Londoner that moved to Essex. Says it all really...:(

Postby wibblywobbly » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:23 pm

I can't help thinking that you are going to have problems fitting a set of tracks and a turret to an LG tv?? :D
User avatar
wibblywobbly
Major
 
Posts: 6069
Joined: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:30 am
Location: South Wales Valley

Postby General Jumbo01 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:56 pm

Its not that hard really, its the remote that has to have a lower hull fitted with a servo fitted to press the right buttons. A winter project maybe? (It could happen!)

In the mean time l found a cheap "WSN" T34 so I've been experimenting. This too seems to be a sealed unit but, contrary to the information in the manuals, the IR emitter is not based in the periscope housing on the turret but is in the barrel. On firing the gun the barrel emits a longish red light (prefer the white ones) and also the IR beam. I can only see one LED but I've used LEDs with dual colours - could these ones be IR and normal light?

The twin LEDs in the turret top mount are the receivers. The problem is similar to that experienced with the Taigen system but infinitely more so. It doesn't matter where the barrel is pointing, a hit is guaranteed! I'll be looking at how l can control the direction of the IR beam. A long matt black tube protruding from the barrel won't cut it!

Is there a thread or article anywhere that explains how you can build a IR system and/or how it works. For example, what's my LG TV IR beam got that my Taigen one hasn't? What makes them compatible? Are they encoded or are there different IR frequencies used?

Your patience is appreciated.
User avatar
General Jumbo01
Corporal
 
Posts: 433
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:06 pm
Location: I'm a Londoner that moved to Essex. Says it all really...:(

Postby silversurfer1947 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:22 pm

I have a WSN T34. For what it's worth, I ignored the IR in the barrel. I drilled out the hole on the right hand side of the mantlet, as you look at it from the front. I fitted the requisite tube with a new emitter of the correct frequency, and it works pretty well.
IMG_20190424_211415_resized_20190424_091609992.jpg
User avatar
silversurfer1947
2nd Lieutenant
 
Posts: 2557
Joined: Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:54 pm
Location: Bristol, UK

Postby General Jumbo01 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:14 am

That seems to be a good solution. However, what sort of IR emitter LED did you use and is it compatible with the WSN battle system (or any other). I guess you dismantled your T34 in order to do this. Can you tell me how you took it apart? Are there screws somewhere? The single sunken screw on the rear deck doesn't appear to release anything on mine - maybe I'm being too gentle with it ;)
User avatar
General Jumbo01
Corporal
 
Posts: 433
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:06 pm
Location: I'm a Londoner that moved to Essex. Says it all really...:(

Postby silversurfer1947 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:41 pm

I will have a look at how it is held together. I can't recall any problems. A for the emitter, I used the ones recommended by wibblywobbly in his thread about making your own battle system. It is Tamiya compatible. I don't think it will still work with the WSN system, but have never tried. I also swapped over the IR receivers, though I kept them in the same place.

Edit : I have had a look. There were 6 screws holding it together. 2 are at the front on the angled plate roughly level with the volume control. There are 2 toward the rear roughly level with the end of the battery box. The other 2 are midway between.
IMG_20190425_165122_resized_20190425_045229985.jpg
Hopefully, you can see the screw holes.

I have had my T34 for some time. It is possible that the current model is different. When I converted mine, I gutted the inside and it is no longer possible to fit the screws, so the top just sits on.
User avatar
silversurfer1947
2nd Lieutenant
 
Posts: 2557
Joined: Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:54 pm
Location: Bristol, UK

Postby General Jumbo01 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:11 pm

Thanks for your help. Given how cheap emitters and receivers are I'll get a few and try them out.
User avatar
General Jumbo01
Corporal
 
Posts: 433
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:06 pm
Location: I'm a Londoner that moved to Essex. Says it all really...:(


Return to General Questions

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ad Lav, Jimster, Marco Peter, Max-U52 and 5 guests