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Postby Elephant » Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:26 pm

Hi,
As the title suggests I am a total newcomer to this hobby.

I have browsed this forum for a while and now know enough to avoid nitrotek.

I'm after a RTR, tank, would prefer a pzkw iv, but saw this on offer.

https://www.rctank.de/360-24-GHz-Panthe ... tle-system

I have,I think, little use for the ir system as the opportunity to battle would be highly unlikely.

I believe rctanks.de are highly regarded here but would welcome any comments or suggestions.

Many thanks

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Postby Wardog » Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:44 pm

This tank was being sold at £250.00 not so long ago.

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:54 pm

Hello and welcome to the forum.

You say you have little use for IR, are you liking the idea of a BB gun? If not, having a tank set for IR is not a bad thing, you get barrel recoil and a flash at the end of the barrel, a lot of people have IR ready tanks just for this feature.

Anyway, check these out, they're nearer to what you wanted, and are from another very reputable seller who happens to be a forum member.

Taigen Panzer IV Special Edition 1:16 BB Version
https://www.forgebeartanks.com/store/p5 ... rsion.html

Torro Panzer IV Special Edition 1:16 IR Version Winter Camo
https://www.forgebeartanks.com/store/p7 ... _Camo.html
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Postby Elephant » Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:14 pm

Thanks for the replies,

I've seen the forgebear site and again, they seem highly recommended here.

I would prefer the pzkw iv but wouldn't the metal features of the panther seem to give it an advantage maybe?

However £250 seems a good price if I can find it.
€300 = roughly £260



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Postby Jofaur86 » Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:17 pm

Hello,
Actually,I would also take the IR combat système :thumbup: to have a différent recoil gun and more realistic!!!than the ball shooting système that is not top. :(

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Postby General Jumbo01 » Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:35 pm

Assuming you are uk based, you may want to buy from the UK (Forgebear) simply to avoid any upcoming duties! (Damn the B word) I too can recommend Forgebear. They are more than just another shop!

As suggested above, the sight of a recoiling barrel with a bright flash is worth going the IR route. You'll soon get tired of riddling a target with 6mm holes!

Go for the latest version of MFU you can find as each is an improvement over the former. Not all models carry the latest versions. Beyond that, take your pick - but not another Tiger!! :)




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Postby silversurfer1947 » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:35 pm

The British pound is not in a good state against the euro. Not very long ago, 300 euros would have been £250.
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:42 pm

silversurfer1947 wrote:The British pound is not in a good state against the euro. Not very long ago, 300 euros would have been £250.

Yeah, it's about 290 euro now.

Mind you, about eight years or so ago it was almost dead on one to one.
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:47 pm

I guess that's another good reason from buying from the UK though the actual number of pounds the retailer wants plus carriage is the bottom line. I was beginning to think about import duty payable when purchased outside the UK. Buying from the Far East often doesn't attract duty - China etc make an effort to play the true cost down but Japan, U.S. use customs labels that means you normally get caught. I wonder how Europe will treat us? Maybe we could start manufacturing RC kits in the empty Nissan and Land Rover factories?

BTW, have you seen the top spec Torro Panzer IV special edition that Forgebear has in stock?

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Postby Elephant » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:30 pm

Yes I am UK based and one of the main reasons i don't want a tiger is because, well just that,
"not another tiger". I'm sure they're very worthy etc, but!

I would prefer to buy UK though have stuff from all over and not had any problems,but then nothing went faulty.

I've had tentative contact with forgebear and they did seem pleasant and helpful.

Any other recommendations re suppliers I may have missed. Also, somewhat cheekily, anyone had any joy with offers? Outside of eBay of course.

I'm not wed to a BB or IR system and i take on board all the comments made.



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Postby Elephant » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:05 pm

Oh! And yes! Seen the winter camp pzkw iv forgebear has.

Looks the business in it's winter camo, just a tad out of my price range.

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Postby Lo_Thar » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:34 pm

Dont buy panzer 4 - this model dont have torsion bares (like oryginal) - all german torro model tanks exept pz4 have torsion bares

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Postby Elephant » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:44 pm

Lo_Thar wrote:Dont buy panzer 4 - this model dont have torsion bares (like oryginal) - all german torro model tanks exept pz4 have torsion bares
Interesting, thank you

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Postby Dusty Steppes » Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:36 pm

Lo_Thar wrote:Dont buy panzer 4 - this model dont have torsion bares (like oryginal) - all german torro model tanks exept pz4 have torsion bares


Panzer IVs did not have torsion bars. They used leaf springs on the bogie system.

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Postby Elephant » Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:42 pm

Dusty Steppes wrote:
Lo_Thar wrote:Dont buy panzer 4 - this model dont have torsion bares (like oryginal) - all german torro model tanks exept pz4 have torsion bares


Panzer IVs did not have torsion bars. They used leaf springs on the bogie system.
Again, interesting, thank you

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:48 pm

Dusty Steppes wrote:
Lo_Thar wrote:Dont buy panzer 4 - this model dont have torsion bares (like oryginal) - all german torro model tanks exept pz4 have torsion bares


Panzer IVs did not have torsion bars. They used leaf springs on the bogie system.

Yes, leaf springs, not torsion bars on panzer 4.
I found the metal leaf springs on my Taigen to be a bit on the stiff side.
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Postby Wardog » Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:57 am

Elephant wrote:Hi,
As the title suggests I am a total newcomer to this hobby.

I have browsed this forum for a while and now know enough to avoid nitrotek.

I'm after a RTR, tank, would prefer a pzkw iv, but saw this on offer.

https://www.rctank.de/360-24-GHz-Panthe ... tle-system

I have,I think, little use for the ir system as the opportunity to battle would be highly unlikely.

I believe rctanks.de are highly regarded here but would welcome any comments or suggestions.

Many thanks

Elephant
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£264.99 nitotek out off stock not a surprise??

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Postby jarndice » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:26 am

Lo_Thar wrote:Dont buy panzer 4 - this model dont have torsion bares (like oryginal) - all german torro model tanks exept pz4 have torsion bares


The biggest source of complaint with the Taigen/Heng Long/Asiatam Panzer 4 is the profoundly awful mess they have made emulating the Semi-Elliptic leaf spring suspension that the original PZ4 had,
Tamiya as usual have done a first rate job of the fit as well as the accuracy of the layout of the suspension,
Some of us have managed to discard the Taigen/Heng Long/Asiatam botch and converted to the Tamiya system,
The only problem apart from needing a metal hull is identifying the parts needed and then finding a dealer selling the OVERPRICED parts. :thumbdown:
BUT I do give a long overdue Hoorah to the newly redesigned Taigen Panzer 4 Turret, :thumbup:
It really is a nice piece of work with it metal moulded on hooks (Proper way down) which unlike the previous efforts are real hooks and not plastic blobs,
Also the bore sight that I have been going on about and had the embarrassment of discovering that the bore sight I had fitted was in fact a turret door handle,(Thanks ROY) :{ This is now a proper fit in front of the Cupola,
This brings my only complaint of the new turret,
If you want to build an "H" or "J" The cupola used to be a simple screw fit so that converting a late model PZ4 single piece hatch version was dead easy now the cupola is a part of the turret albeit having a quality faux weld joining it to the turret and while I welcome the accuracy of the aerial deflector (At Last) it has to be cut off for the later variant PZ4s as the aerial on them is not on the side of the body but on the left rear flank but overall a welcome addition to those who like accuracy in their tanks.

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:24 am

Funny, the reason I bought a taigen metal addition panzer 4 was because I read on one of the forums (before I joined this one), that the addition of the metal suspension made the panzer 4 run better than a plastic Heng Long. Sadly I find my suspension overly stiff which is more likely to rock than compress over bumps.
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Postby jarndice » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:45 am

I have been waiting for someone to point out my (deliberate) mistake :lolno:
The suspension on the Panzer 4 is of course not Semi-Elliptic but Quarter Elliptic,
Semi elliptic would have been more compliant but there was not enough room along the side of the hull and it would have added literally tonnes more weight to the tank.

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