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Postby HammerWihoutASickle » Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:23 pm

So my Leo is too heavy and looks like it's leaning back rather than being level after a run. The picture does a better job of describing it.

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Postby forgebear » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:05 pm

open it up and stick a bit of sticky lead weight in the front
that will help
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Postby tomhugill » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:25 pm

Better yet but the uprated spring kit!

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Postby tomhugill » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:26 pm

Or you can try clocking the springs first

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Postby HammerWihoutASickle » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:33 pm

forgebear wrote:open it up and stick a bit of sticky lead weight in the front
that will help
dave
Cheap and easier. How much do you suppose the weight would be?

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Postby HammerWihoutASickle » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:34 pm

tomhugill wrote:Or you can try clocking the springs first
In reference to both your replies? Updated kit?
And how do I check the suspension springs?

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Postby jarndice » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:36 pm

This tip wont help with your problem but if it is always advisable to support a Tank when it is on display to take the weight off of the suspension to prevent it sagging.

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:43 pm

jarndice wrote:This tip wont help with your problem but if it is always advisable to support a Tank when it is on display to take the weight off of the suspension to prevent it sagging.

Nothing worse than a lot of weight causing sagging. . . .

Personally. After looking at the picture, I would beef up only the rear two pairs of suspension springs either way Tom suggests, but I would also beef up the front pair while I was at it (it can be seen in the picture the front wheel is being pushed up by track tension alone).
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Postby HammerWihoutASickle » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:54 pm

Son of a gun-ner wrote:
jarndice wrote:This tip wont help with your problem but if it is always advisable to support a Tank when it is on display to take the weight off of the suspension to prevent it sagging.

Nothing worse than a lot of weight causing sagging. . . .

Personally. After looking at the picture, I would beef up only the rear two pairs of suspension springs either way Tom suggests, but I would also beef up the front pair while I was at it (it can be seen in the picture the front wheel is being pushed up by track tension alone).
That evident, eh?
Any threads I can refer to to help me do this?

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:04 pm

Pay attention to what Max U52 says

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Postby HammerWihoutASickle » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:25 pm

Thanks gunner. I'll have a look at the arms when I get the chance.

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Postby Raminator » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:28 am

HammerWihoutASickle wrote:Cheap and easier. How much do you suppose the weight would be?

You can use fishing sinkers or tyre balancing weights (or since you're in America, perhaps buckshot :haha: ), add them gradually until it looks like the tank is no longer leaning backwards.

Son of a gun-ner wrote:Nothing worse than a lot of weight causing sagging. . . .

Time and gravity get the better of us all, Mick. Armoured or otherwise.
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Postby HammerWihoutASickle » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:34 am

Raminator wrote:
HammerWihoutASickle wrote:Cheap and easier. How much do you suppose the weight would be?

You can use fishing sinkers or tyre balancing weights (or since you're in America, perhaps buckshot :haha: ), add them gradually until it looks like the tank is no longer leaning backwards.

Son of a gun-ner wrote:Nothing worse than a lot of weight causing sagging. . . .

Time and gravity get the better of us all, Mick. Armoured or otherwise.
Oooh I'm staying far away from buckshot. Let me see if I can find those sinkers.

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Postby wibblywobbly » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:23 am

It could possibly be track tension too tight. The front roadwheel is being pulled up because the tension is overcoming the spring rate. If the metal sprockets and tracks are new, you might find that after you have run it around a bit and it has all stretched and bedded in, that the ride levels out again.
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Postby HammerWihoutASickle » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:35 am

wibblywobbly wrote:It could possibly be track tension too tight. The front roadwheel is being pulled up because the tension is overcoming the spring rate. If the metal sprockets and tracks are new, you might find that after you have run it around a bit and it has all stretched and bedded in, that the ride levels out again.
They're Taigen tracks, default size. Meaning they're the only size that won't make track slippages a daily thing. One more link and it becomes too big. I've run this around quite a few times, still hasn't sagged even a bit.

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Postby Jay-Em » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:31 am

Do You know if the springs can be locked in a different hole? I havent had to remove my Leopard’s roadwheels, but on my T-90’s the rear two springs, and the frontmost spring are in the hole that increases the tension on the arms, and it balances the whole affair, metal reargearbox plate (Wecohe), heavy steel gearbox, fairly heavy speaker and all.

By now one T-90 weighs in at about 4,5 kg, and no sagging whatsoever.

My Leo also doesn’t sag, but it could be because the heavy rear gearbox is evened-out by the big FRS7 speaker up front. I run the lighter Tamiya Leopard tracks, by the way.

Oh, before I forget : did You check if all arms run free, and there are no broken/unseated springs in the rear?

If none of the ideas help, it could be necessary to switch the springs around, rears to the front, fronts to the rear. I can imagine the metal roadwheels wearing-out the springs due to their sheer weight.
If all else failes, a bag of stronger Heng Long springs is about €9,- or about $10,- I usually need only 2 springs to even-out sagging rear-or front ends

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Postby Soeren » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:08 pm

Just remember. The running gear doesn't contribute to the sag. Be it metal or plastic. But hull interior and turret do.
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Postby happytank » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:28 pm

HammerWihoutASickle wrote:
forgebear wrote:open it up and stick a bit of sticky lead weight in the front
that will help
dave
Cheap and easier. How much do you suppose the weight would be?

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Sort out the suspension, not designed to take the extra stress of weight, sticky weights start as little 5gram in a strip come in 5 and 10's which are a soft compound so you can cut.You can obtain from your local tyre shop.in a small strip.
Once on may be hard to get of.you can over stick for the deciding weight.
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Postby Soeren » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:37 pm

Is there a Corley suspension for the hen long modern tanks like for the Tagen ones?
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Postby happytank » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:39 pm

Just a thought can you put small washers, at the contact points of the body .using longer screws and washers to level out the body
Or am I talking crap.

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