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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:56 pm

Well, it's really a question of how much recoil is too much, especially when it is being generated by the tracks and motors? This is traditionally a knotty issue, and many here strive to eliminate track recoil from their HL and Taigen rides altogether. But even some Tamiya tanks have track recoil in addition to barrel recoil. (See below). After looking at countless hours of (real) tanks firing, I feel it's true to say that most rock to some extent, and some way more than others- like the Abrams, for example. Model tanks with barrel recoil should probably have a wee bit of track recoil too, but getting the level right can be tricky, frustrating, and expensive..
Here's the new Tamiya Abrams M1A2. Check the recoil out when it fires. Also immerse yourself in that glorious engine sound :thumbup: I have to get one of these :D !!!
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Now, here's the barrel and track recoil on a Tamiya Tiger 1.
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Clearly, the gods of RC tanking- Tamiya- even believe that some measure of track recoil, or a chassis shake, ought to accompany the main cannon shot. :think: While I agree, that HL models tend to jerk
in an excessive way, as if they've just had an electric shock, or had an invite to Harvey W.'s hotel suite, they should move a little- especially when most airsoft models have no barrel recoil.
A tank without track recoil to any degree, and also no barrel recoil, is going to be a boring wee tankie if all it does is use its barrel acting as a flashlight...IMHO :D
I note that Tamiya's M4A3 105mm Sherman is the only Tamiya tank without barrel recoil (I think), but it does have significant track recoil, like a typical HL model. Is that also a tad too much? In its absence there would be hardly any indication of a cannon going off.... :|
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Postby tomhugill » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:30 pm

I think tamiya have got it just right. Which is good as you can't change it! It's nice that you can dial it in on most aftermarket boards.

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Postby dgsselkirk » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:38 pm

That is what I like about the Clark and I'm sure some of the other boards too is you can set the recoil up and down as you like it...
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Postby PainlessWolf » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:54 pm

Good morning,
When I was building Mike's Tiger, I used an IBU2 and they have got that dial-it-in type of track recoil. Ian\Tankbear did a great job of setting that board up for me as it was my first venture into Hobby Grade waters. On my own late Tiger 1 (purchased from Jackalope ) I rebuilt it and used a Clark board since I was so pleased with how a previous TK-24 worked out for the M36B1 ( also purchased from Jackalope ) Companies like Taigen and HL are getting mighty close to Hobby Grade country. I have older versions of their MFUs in early Builds and I am still pleased with the IR Flash and Boom from Taigen and the powerful airguns that HL ( sometimes ) delivered on their tanks along with improving and progressive track control. Moving control of the smoker and volume levels to their radio was a huge and sales saving step for HL. Anyway, back to track recoil, the latest TK-24 from Clark on my Tiger 1 has it down to perfection. ( in my book at least ) Just a little track shake and quick recoil and slower return of the barrel. Reload sounds are a Plus. *chuckles* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTKVUGfQ7rY&t=15s
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Postby frankie » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:00 pm

I try to dial the recoil out as much as I can, giving just a himt of movement.....
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:20 am

Thanks for the input, lads :thumbup: Incidentally, if I were buying the Tamiya M4 105mm, I'd be disappointed by its lack of detail, and lack of a recoil; but I would welcome the working lights, with remote on/off feature...
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Postby Ecam » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:13 pm

Frankie, that looks pretty darn good, in my opinion.
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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:33 pm

43rdRecceReg wrote:Thanks for the input, lads :thumbup: Incidentally, if I were buying the Tamiya M4 105mm, I'd be disappointed by its lack of detail, and lack of a recoil; but I would welcome the working lights, with remote on/off feature...


If you want to keep the tamiya electronics, you can put light in all tamiya tanks. Just plug a electronic switch (about 3 euros) in a spare channel in your receiver, and you will be able to switch them on and off at your will.

I dont use tamiys electronics since years, but I put working lights and a smoke machine in a tamiya kng tiger. Even a servo recoil in a sherman.
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