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Mato Sherman Suspension bogie set on Heng Long Chassis?

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Postby BarryC » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:11 am

Hi Guys,

Can the Mato Sherman suspension be fitted to the Heng Long chassis? It looks like they would operate more realistically than the HL bogie.

I can see that the Mato mounting is totally different from the HL. How is the Mato bogie held in place on the Mato hull?

I would like to us them on my Firefly.

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Postby c.rainford73 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:13 am

BarryC wrote:Hi Guys,

Can the Mato Sherman suspension be fitted to the Heng Long chassis? It looks like they would operate more realistically than the HL bogie.

I can see that the Mato mounting is totally different from the HL. How is the Mato bogie held in place on the Mato hull?

I would like to us them on my Firefly.

TIA,
Barry
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Postby MichaelC » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:06 am

Barry, its pretty straight forward. You can get Mato metal bogies separately, and just require a little bit of sanding on the mount. The Heng Long bogies uses two mount posts on the chassis so you just need to cut them off. I use two part epoxy and never had any issues with them coming off or anything in lots of battles.The Mato bogies however are a little wider than the the Heng Long ones so you do have to run them in a little bit if you are using Heng Long tracks.

I did it because back then there was no metal option for Heng Long Sherman lower, and I like the Mato bogies much better.

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Postby c.rainford73 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:08 am

As Michael stated these are bullet proof for sure running around my yard and have hit some rocks and everything is very solid. I'm careful enough but I'm sure they could handle more.

I think MichaelC has a PhD in Rc tank conversion techniques....
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Postby forgebear » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:34 am

hi guys would this help out
heng long ones http://www.forgebeartanks.com/store/p57 ... _Tank.html
mato ones http://www.forgebeartanks.com/store/p37 ... nsion.html

the heng long are a strait fit and work as would do on the real one not rocking. the mato ones do the same only the slide in the track on the arm moves up and down when depress
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:03 am

BarryC wrote:How is the Mato bogie held in place on the Mato hull?
Barry

The mato hull has 6 holes in the sides the same shape as the back of the bogies, the bogies fit in the holes with a retaining spring clip that's not provided with the metal bogies.

I have both both makes of the sets of metal bogies from Dave that he's shown you, I've even got a mato rolling chassis off of Dave lol.

So, I'm guessing you'd like me to dig them out and show you their features?

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:11 am

MichaelC wrote:Barry, its pretty straight forward. You can get Mato metal bogies separately, and just require a little bit of sanding on the mount.
MichaelC.

I'm a little confused, the mount at the back of the mato bogie is at least 5mm too long, it fits through the chassis and has extra for the retaining clip? Seems a bit much for a little bit of sanding.
So I'm intrigued, what have I missed?

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Postby BarryC » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:45 am

forgebear wrote:hi guys would this help out
heng long ones http://www.forgebeartanks.com/store/p57 ... _Tank.html
mato ones http://www.forgebeartanks.com/store/p37 ... nsion.html

the heng long are a strait fit and work as would do on the real one not rocking. the mato ones do the same only the slide in the track on the arm moves up and down when depress


Hi Dave,

Looking at the pictures and descriptions on your site is what started me trying to figure out how to mount the Mato set to the HL chassis.

I understand that the HL set are a direct swap for the plastic ones but are they sprung with two springs as I see on the Mato set? You state that they do "not rock"; so each swing arm is sprung independent of the other?

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Postby BarryC » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:54 am

Son of a gun-ner wrote:
BarryC wrote:How is the Mato bogie held in place on the Mato hull?
Barry

The mato hull has 6 holes in the sides the same shape as the back of the bogies, the bogies fit in the holes with a retaining spring clip that's not provided with the metal bogies.

I have both both makes of the sets of metal bogies from Dave that he's shown you, I've even got a mato rolling chassis off of Dave lol.

So, I'm guessing you'd like me to dig them out and show you their features?

Mick.


Thanks Mick, that is the explanation of "how they mount" I was looking for. So are the clips not available as separate items?

I see here on the Matomart site that there are 6 pieces shown beyond the bogies themselves but they do not look like clips or are they.
http://www.matomart.com/prodview.php?p=971

The fact that they are designed to fit into the hull and retained by the clip causes me to wonder the same about how much metal would have to be filed away to attach them externally.

Thanks,
Barry

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Postby BarryC » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:57 am

MichaelC wrote:Barry, its pretty straight forward. You can get Mato metal bogies separately, and just require a little bit of sanding on the mount. The Heng Long bogies uses two mount posts on the chassis so you just need to cut them off. I use two part epoxy and never had any issues with them coming off or anything in lots of battles.The Mato bogies however are a little wider than the the Heng Long ones so you do have to run them in a little bit if you are using Heng Long tracks.

I did it because back then there was no metal option for Heng Long Sherman lower, and I like the Mato bogies much better.

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Thanks Michael, but like Mick I'm a little confused about how much metal must be removed given they are designed to fit through the hull as opposed to mounting external as the HL bogies.

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Postby BarryC » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:59 am

c.rainford73 wrote:
BarryC wrote:Hi Guys,

Can the Mato Sherman suspension be fitted to the Heng Long chassis? It looks like they would operate more realistically than the HL bogie.

I can see that the Mato mounting is totally different from the HL. How is the Mato bogie held in place on the Mato hull?

I would like to us them on my Firefly.

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Thanks Carl they do look good!

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:09 pm

The heng long ones have a spring like this. It's retained by the screw post when the two halves are together. The two hooked ends clip to the two swing arms. Quite fiddly with big fingers when they fall apart. The mounting screw holds them together. They work quite well.
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As for the mato clips, I couldn't tell you if you can get them separately. And I'm sorry, that link took me to the home page, can you not take a screen shot or something to post?

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Postby forgebear » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:11 pm

hi both sets heng long and mato work
the mato slide up and down on the arms the heng long do the same as the plastic version they work as independent but dont have the slide part that runs above the suspension arms
the plastic mato ones just rock
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Postby BarryC » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:28 pm

Thanks Mick and Dave!

I now understand the design.

Mick, Picture of the Mato bogies attached in previous post.

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:33 pm

They are detail parts. They have the same size hole as the chassis.

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Postby BarryC » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:35 pm

Son of a gun-ner wrote:They are detail parts. They have the same size hole as the chassis.

Mick.


Thanks Mick, that's kind of what I was thinking, they do not look like clips.

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:37 pm

And I'll add, Dave sells them both at a reasonable price with an excellent service. . . . :thumbup:

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:39 pm

You're welcome Barry.
If you'd like, I can take a picture of the clip on the inside of the mato chassis in a few hours after I've done what's expected from me from the wife lol.

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Postby BarryC » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:47 pm

Son of a gun-ner wrote:You're welcome Barry.
If you'd like, I can take a picture of the clip on the inside of the mato chassis in a few hours after I've done what's expected from me from the wife lol.

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That would be most kind of you!

Dave will be my source.

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:02 pm

No worries, glad to help and give something back to the people on this forum.

As for me, I need to work out which method I'm going to use to convert these mato ones to the earliest style bogies with the roller on top lol.

Right, chores to do, I'll be back.

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