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Postby welshdragon » Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:23 pm

Waltersons have advised me that they are working on r/c models of a T72 and Centurion in 1/16 scale, although unlikely to be available this year. I will post more news when I have it, or visit the Welsh Dragon Models Facebook page.

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Postby jarndice » Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:48 am

Thank you Steve,
We have been calling for years for a 1/16 R/C Centurion and while the quality of Chris's example is beyond question, and to a builder (like me) eminently desirable, it is because of the limited production run and the amount of hands on in its production that price's it out of the pocket of many of us,
Hopefully this will trigger another maker to compete with "Walterson's" so that the upgrade makers see a market for their products.
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Postby Ad Lav » Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:20 am

Great news, thanks Steve.

Take my money now!
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Postby welshdragon » Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:00 am

jarndice wrote:Thank you Steve,
We have been calling for years for a 1/16 R/C Centurion and while the quality of Chris's example is beyond question, and to a builder (like me) eminently desirable, it is because of the limited production run and the amount of hands on in its production that price's it out of the pocket of many of us,
Hopefully this will trigger another maker to compete with "Walterson's" so that the upgrade makers see a market for their products.
Shaun.


Thank you Shaun. I think we will be seeing a lot more from Waltersons and WDM will be stocking their products :) . I'm not expecting to see any more volume manufacturers springing up in the foreseeable future, but who knows?

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Postby welshdragon » Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:03 am

Ad Lav wrote:Great news, thanks Steve.

Take my money now!


Thank you. Let's hope the £ recovers a bit before we see them!

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Postby angel gonzalez » Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:43 am

any news about the centurion? Thanks

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Postby Raminator » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:05 am

The T-72 and Centurion are my two all-time favourites. Looks like I got into this hobby a year too early!
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Postby jackalope » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:44 pm

Oh I'd have to get a Centurion!
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Postby RobW » Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:11 pm

Raminator wrote:The T-72 and Centurion are my two all-time favourites. Looks like I got into this hobby a year too early!


Nah, just about right to have time to learn the basics and buy MORE tanks...... :haha: Will be nice to have some post war armour that I have a chance of IDing - I can't tell the difference between the modern US, UK & German ones.

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Postby Raminator » Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:21 am

I agree, they're all so uniform and soulless. Aesthetically, military technology peaked during the Cold War.
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Postby Bogeyman » Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:54 am

Centurion, bring it on, this will trigger some epic builds, I can see them already.

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Postby Ad Lav » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:10 pm

My guess is no :)

Ludwigs one is nice but expensive.
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Postby AlwynTurner » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:17 pm

I suspect the reason you haven't seen the Centurion and Chieftain in mass production is the complexity of the suspension. They haven't got the trailing arm or torsion bar suspension seen on the other mass-production tanks.

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Postby AlwynTurner » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:44 pm

At the end of the day the manufacturers will make and sell what is most profitable and easiest to produce, so anything complex and different gets deprioritised, hence no sign of either tank coming to market....

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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:08 pm

Any effort by the volume manufacturers of 1/16 tanks to broaden the spectrum of tanks available, has to be welcomed. :thumbup: But as time rolls by with ever increasing, and alarming, speed to the 'Boomers' on this board (..you know, that age roller coaster that terminates in The Ghost Train.. :O ), I hope it won't take another mini-eternity for the Centurion to materialise, in the way if did with the Challenger 2. :problem:
Hope that's its not going to be a little effort, a little late.
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Postby wibblywobbly » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:34 pm

It can take at least two years to go from concept to production. Every single part has to designed and prototypes built, that means manufacturing every part as a one off. Anything amiss with the prototype and it's back to the design stage, and manufacture new parts, and then build again. That part of the process alone would take months.

Then the moulds have to be designed and manufactured. Huge cost.

Then the parts have to be cast from the moulds, anything wrong and its back to redesigning the moulds..

Fixed? Re cast the parts, re build a prototype.

Keep doing that until all of the parts can be cast, removed cleanly from sprues, and will slot together with perfection.

If they don't the keep repeating the process until they do.

Then cast about 10,000 of them for shipment around the world?
Warehouse space.

Cost? Maybe per day:

Team of CAD designers (expensive)
Plastics advisors
Machinists
Mould designers
CNC experts
Cost analysts

The list goes on, say three years salaries for each person on the team?
Design packaging, expanded foam, etc. Order 10,000 of them.
Storage
Transport
Shipping
Accountants

All of that and not a single sale yet.

...and we want it next week, and for £99. :crazy:

Jadlam Models have the full range of Tamiya's on their site. The Leopard is £1220, the Jagdpanther is £1150 8O
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:40 pm

Thanks for the sobering realism, Wibb. Sounds credible.:| I imagine that spending an age designing and refining a 3D component, and days printing it, can also be as frustrating and unrewarding. Hence the inside knowledge os the system, I guess.
Still, we can maintain our fantasy that some model tank manufacturer/entrepreneur out there has an altruistic spirit, and the sole goal in life of realising model Tankers' hopes. :thumbup: .. :eh: Or maybe not, on a bad day... :problem:
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Postby wibblywobbly » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:21 am

It often crosses my mind that the entire western economy, probably the global economy, has only avoided monumental inflation and public unrest due to cheap Chinese goods. If they weren't producing goods at the prices they do, and the rest of the world was producing everything themselves, then it would all cost many times more than we are currently paying.

We have now become totally dependent on them. A railroad is being built from China to Europe, purely to allow cheaper transport, which means that all countries have acknowledged the situation. It doesn't matter what local politicians claim about successful handling of national economies, if everyone has access to Chinese goods then everything stays cheap, people don't moan about the buying power of their wages etc. Take away the Chinese prices and the price of everything will triple, wage demands will go up, and the economy would be thrown into chaos.

If you take a look at prices on Alibaba and Ebay for directly imported items, and compare them to what UK retailers sell the same stuff for, you can see the difference. Will it last? That much is anyone's guess. With the top three powers currently sabre rattling, it wouldn't take much to cause a disruption to the status quo.

It's a case of sit back and enjoy the show. :clap:
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Postby JohnWhyte » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:57 am

well once they come out it be the case I'll have 3 or 4 on order 1 for my dad the rest for me

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Postby AlwynTurner » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:37 pm

Anyone not convinced about the complexity of the suspension can take a peek at these
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I plan on building these after I finish the JS2, but I think it's going to be a winter project. I just received today the 1/35 model of the Chieftain which uses the same suspension units so I can use that for scaling.

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