Help needed - WSN T-34 and Taigen 2.4GHz

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Postby SimonCornes » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:14 pm

I discovered that the WSN power plug is 3 pin and Taigen/HL use 2 pin so my first job was to order a Taigen/HL power lead.

(As an 'aid' I also have a HL Pan-Tiger that I am almost finished fitting an RX-18 board into. I can't prove that it all works yet because I need a pair of HL 27MHz crystals as I have discovered that Futaba crystals aren't compatible. All being well I'll have a pair by the middle of this week. But, on the basis that the Taigen gear can be substituted for the HL originals, I am looking at what the RX-18 wiring is connected to in the Pan-Tiger with a view to identifying the same components in the WSN T34 - if that makes sense?)

So I am hoping that when I get the power plugged in I will be able to get the tank moving. I can replace the WSN speaker and sound card with the Taigen hardware. That leaves the turret. I have an 8 pin umbilical from an RX-13 system so I can solder the WSN wires to the bare ends of the 8 wires and here is where the fun starts! I have traced the WSN wiring, so my thinking is:-

Orange - connect to Green turret traverse wire in T34 (Red turret traverse in Pan-Tiger)
White - connect to White turret traverse wire in T34 (White turret traverse in Pan-Tiger)
Green - Black wire in Pan-Tiger - connects to red wire in Pan-Tiger BB firer/flasher/elevation
Brown - Black wire in Pan-Tiger - connects to red wire in Pan-Tiger BB firer/flasher/elevation
Yellow - Red wire in Pan-Tiger - connects to yellow in Pan-Tiger BB firer/flasher/elevation
Blue - connect to green headlight wire in T34 (Red headlight wire in Pan-Tiger)
Black - connect to White headlight wire in T34 (Black headlight wire in Pan-Tiger)
Red - Not used in Pan-Tiger -RX-18

I'm hoping that the gun traverse and headlight will work as I expect!

The real issues for me are the Green, Brown and Yellow terminals that, in the Pan-Tiger, connect to the BB firer/flasher/elevation unit. With the WSN turret I have no BB firer, I have a gun elevation and a recoil device with an LED flasher in the barrel. I have Red, White and Blue wires and I'm wondering which terminals they should connect to? One final thing, the WSN sound card also has a red and a black wire going into the turret - I'm guessing there may be a microswitch to make a 'bang' sound when the gun recoils? As the Taigen sound system has no direct connection with the turret I assume that the 'bang' comes via the main control board?

Any help you can give me would be very much appreciated!!
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Postby SimonCornes » Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:27 am

Seems like no one has any clues!!

Well I have the traverse working and the headlight working so that just left the 3 wires into the turret. In the absence of any guidance I had a stab at it and the elevation works pretty much as WSN did it - an arm running in top of a cam driven by a motor. Only rotates in one direction and the recoil doesn't function at all! I have zipped it all up in frustration but if anyone can think of a means of getting the gun to go up or down that would be great! Maybe I need a new elevation unit and/or recoil unit? If so, can anyone recommend which please? Remember, I still only have 3 wires to connect!

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Postby Tiger6 » Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:25 pm

viewtopic.php?f=79&t=11431 - does this help?

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Postby SimonCornes » Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:05 pm

Tiger6 wrote:https://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-tanks-369/11545867-wsn-t34-heng-long-conversion-help.html


Thank you very much for that. I have PM'd wibblywobbly as he seems to have a handle on this!!

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Postby silversurfer1947 » Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:33 pm

SimonCornes wrote:
Tiger6 wrote:https://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-tanks-369/11545867-wsn-t34-heng-long-conversion-help.html


Thank you very much for that. I have PM'd wibblywobbly as he seems to have a handle on this!!

Simon

It may be a while before a reply. For some reason, wibblywobbly can not get email notification of PMs, so only picks them up when he logs on, which is not so frequent these days
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Postby SimonCornes » Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:40 pm

silversurfer1947 wrote:
SimonCornes wrote:
Tiger6 wrote:https://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-tanks-369/11545867-wsn-t34-heng-long-conversion-help.html


Thank you very much for that. I have PM'd wibblywobbly as he seems to have a handle on this!!

Simon

It may be a while before a reply. For some reason, wibblywobbly can not get email notification of PMs, so only picks them up when he logs on, which is not so frequent these days


That's a hell of a pity silversurfer1947. I suspected something might be 'iffy' when there was no option when PM'ing him to have an e-mail telling me that he had replied to my PM. I suspect it may be his profile that needs tweaking!

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Postby silversurfer1947 » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:10 pm

Wibblywobbly is one of only 2 admin for the forum and has huge experience in the technology field. He had been unable to find out why the problem occurs. I will try to contact him for you.
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Postby SimonCornes » Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:25 pm

Okay, well in that case he has considerably more knowledge in that respect than me! Thank you very much for offering to help - much appreciated!
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Postby Jofaur86 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 1:39 am

not sure if can help? attached links on RX18, HL, Taigen, Torro all ditto, see second link, several types

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Postby Jofaur86 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 1:47 am

schematic diagram heng long (old) general wiring, and the 8-pin plug of the upper chassis
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Postby SimonCornes » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:39 am

Thank you Jofaur86 - I will try to make sense of this!!
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Postby wibblywobbly » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:53 am

Silversurfer is correct, my comms with the forum messages is very hit and miss.

It was many years ago that I converted a WSN T34 to an Elmod board. I took the route that was the easiest for me.

All tanks have two drive motors, a turret rotation motor, and an elevation motor. I simply cut all of the wires to each motor, installed new wiring to match an HL board as the Elmod used the same schematics.

I created a copy of the T34 that is at the Cobbaton museum.

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Postby SimonCornes » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:16 am

Wibblywobbly, thank you very much for that. I will see what I can do to incorporate all of that!!

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Postby Jofaur86 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:55 pm

I agree with Wibblywobbly, just respect the wiring in order to correspond with the diagram with the colors indicated. :thumbup:

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Postby SimonCornes » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:02 pm

Well guys, I had ago today with the standard wiring diagram and it didn't work! I have no idea why but when I reverted to the 8 pin arrangement in the Pan-Tiger which is fitted with an RX-18 MFU then it did what was expected. I've had to reverse the polarity of the wiring on the gun recoil motor so that works now but the LED in the tip of the barrel doesn't flash. I have a Taigen V3 in the tank so I hoped that I might get a 'bang' sound when the recoil works but no. In the WSN setup there is a red and black wire which goes to a small circuit board near to the speaker and that is no doubt how the 'bang' works but I have replaced that speaker - which didn't make a sound at all, even when running with the WSN radio - and also the associated board, with the Taigen one. As things stand the only thing missing now is the flashing Led and the main gun firing sound. Maybe that's as good as it will get. Certainly a damned sight better than the mad WSN system! I just need to sort out a 7.2v pack as this thing is not going to run on Duracells forever!

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Postby Jofaur86 » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:59 pm

good evening, the gun led does not flash? possible plus / minus reversal if the original one? see on the recoil mechanism, must there be a small switch? it is he who controls the ignition, see also if correctly connected to RX 18, do you have this type of mechanism?
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Postby Jofaur86 » Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:21 pm

RX 18 2.4 ghz type connection, for the flash it is CN 3 (Xenon flash)
https://www.rc-panzershop.fr/ekmps/shop ... /hl2.4.pdf
old generation RX 18 diagram, but same as RX 2.4 ghz, on CN 3:
F: not used
G: more Led canon
H: less Led canon
J and K, switch on mechanism, recoil command, fire and flash. For information in case? the more on the led is the longer paw, hope will help
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Postby Jofaur86 » Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:58 pm

found this on RC Universe? if can help
https://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-tan ... r-3-a.html ???

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Postby john1970 » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:28 pm

Microswitch if you dont have a microswitch fitted to the taigen board then you wont get the gun fire sound or if it is fitted and not being triggered you wont get gun fire sound

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