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Postby Rob'59 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:43 pm

As mentioned in my topics so far, my first weathering attempt on both Tigers, and this evening I started working the 4 German Nazi helmets.
As both my Tigers are in some kind of Wintercamo, I was thinking of making the helmets in a white wash winter white.
I have no clue if it suits the Tigers in this setup, or that it would be better looking to have the helmets in "Grau".
As usual....some pics.....
So please let me know what you think about it, okay?

Rattle canned them in a left over grey
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Next some white with a stiff brush, and some terpentine in which I cleaned my brushes after using brown paint.
At the bottom there's some residu which I applied on top of the white wash.
And last I added some rusty spots, at least that's what is was supposed to look like
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Postby Rob'59 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:52 pm

They're just on the ammo boxes for the pics.
Mostly they are hanging alongside the turrets.
How do you attach 'm there, just glue them on?
Or do you add more details and hang 'm with some home made chin straps......?
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:08 pm

Opinion asked for. . . .

I can't imagine a German helmet in service having much, or any rust, I'm sure they would have been taken care of.

As for white camouflage, sometimes helmets were normal colour, and sometimes painted all white, some soldiers had white cloth coverings hiding normal colours, and sometimes camo cloth coverings hiding white helmets. I guess it was a case of supply and demand, also depending how bombarded a winter area was for quick camo change.

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:35 pm

Took a few screen shots from a search.

White hood, standard helmet.
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White helmet and hood.
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Cloth camo
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Postby Rob'59 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:15 am

Well Mick, then I will just pretend it is mud/dust on the helmets due to the fact they are hanging/bouncing alongside the tank, haha
Thanks for the pics!
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:00 am

You're welcome.

A helmet is like a goal keeper, an essential part of the (weapons) line-up, and the whole "team" has to be tip top for your very survival.

I know I've used foot soldiers for my examples, but you can see how good the condition is, and I feel it would have been the same for tankers. Although the helmets on a tank could quite easily get the odd chip and bullet hole.

Your picture was probably taken many years after the war.
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Postby cashybai » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:48 am

And gotta say, a rusty helmet would be the first thing any half keen sergeant major would be jumping all over...

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Postby Aussie » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:29 am

A good look is to wrap alfoil tightly around a 1/16 scale German helmet and paint it accordingly in a camo colour.
Looks like a cloth cover.

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:30 am

Going to hazard a guess here............

Steel helmets on any tank would have been stowed outside due to space considerations, and the fact that as they would be for use once the crew were forced to dismount & escape or fight on foot, they wouldnt have time to grab a "K-pot" from a less accessible location to put on and carry on the fight.
I would say that outside of any disciplinary protocols, such as presentations, or suchlike, they may have stayed outside for extended periods.
Good chance there may be a bullet hole, certainly a scrape, and covered in dust , but rust?, unlikely I reckon.

All that aside, you've done an honest job of the helmet surface, if a little too accentuated for my eye.
I believe it was fairly common to use a strip of inner tube from a damaged tyre to secure like a rubber band, a section of sheet in winter, or foliage in summer as required.
I have pics of PzIV's in Russia that have a neat row of 5 helmets strung across the rear track length that look immaculate, but there is no way of knowing how long they have been there !
As for a full on winter tank, the preference would have been warmth above all, then helmet availability well down the list.!
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:34 am

Aussie wrote:A good look is to wrap alfoil tightly around a 1/16 scale German helmet and paint it accordingly in a camo colour.
Looks like a cloth cover.


Yip, or toilet tissue soaked in diluted PVA glue and applied so as to replicate the loose fit of a factory made cover, or a rubber band (over tissue) used in teeth braces to look like a band that retains the rough cover.
Or, paint and a rough brush(as is done in this case) to replicate a hard life on the side of a tank !
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Postby cashybai » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:24 am

I've certainly got a picture of a tiger heading to normandy with helmets hanging off the turret track holders..

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