1/6 1943 Stuart M5

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Postby PainlessWolf » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:31 am

Got down to the business today of looking at the 21st Century Stuart up close to see what would need modifying or replacing. I'm splitting this build into three parts like the previous StuG. I started with the lower hull tonight. This section has been designed to run and give (generally) good ( if slow ) performance over outdoors terrain while spending as little as possible on the components. The stock tracks are going to Sassgrunt for a project of his. I have a more accurate looking set of T16E1s that he swapped me that were designed for the static version of this tank. They are heavy duty rubber and vinyl and should work as long as I don't run it through boulder fields and piles of broken glass. They need a good spray down with silicone and will get that asap. Having working idler arms. rubber tires on the idlers and slightly modded or new sprockets will help this set do their job a lot better. More tomorrow night. Pictures:
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1 6th rubber and vinyl molded T16E1.JPG
1 6th rubber and vinyl molded T16E1
Closeup of the track.  It is riveted together..JPG
1 6th rubber and vinyl molded T16E1
Replacement late war idler still needs a rubber tire and some inserts.  The non working idler arm is just to show size relationship..JPG
Replacement late war idler still needs a rubber tire and some inserts. The non working idler arm is just to show size relationship.
A print I want to frame and hang over the completed build..JPG
A print I want to frame and hang over the completed build.
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Postby Swamprat33 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:27 pm

Hi painless, While you work on the lower hull, it is probably worth re-profiling the lower - front hull (Transmission Housing) as the profile is way out.

It is very flat & square sided as shown in the first pix.

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I plan to re-profile my tranny Housing over the next couple of weeks and will update my thread when done.

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Postby PainlessWolf » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:30 pm

Tim, G'mornin'
You're reading my mind. ;o) I've got the tow hooks and transmissions housings to redo the front of the vehicle. Each section of this tank brings it's own unique 'challenges' ;o)
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Postby palepainter » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:31 pm

HEHEHE. Moving up in scale I see. :) Are the eyes getting worse, or did you clear up some space for the 1/6th. :D
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Postby PainlessWolf » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:43 pm

Pale! ;o)
It's really good to hear from you! I've had this Stuart in stock form for some 11 years now. ( Where does the time go? ) It got bumped up on the list of tanks to do and re-do when Sassgrunt provided a ton o' upgrade parts in exchange for the RC version tracks and a resin mantlet. The eyes are doing much better with proper scrips for my specs ;o) I'll be back to 1/16 scale next Spring with a Tamiya Tiger and an Imperial Sturmtiger. Stay Tuned!
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Postby PainlessWolf » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:52 am

Got in from the gym tonight and went to spend a little quiet time with the Stuart. Per Swamprat, I gave the bow and transmission housing a close look. Once the Cullen device was off, there is a definite overhang seen there but it is no where near as curved as on the real tank. I have some kit pieces which will give a lot of detail back to that area but I also see that the front weld on the bow will need to be defined and made deeper. An add on piece made from plasti-stock will be needed. Pics:
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Stock bow with the Cullen device.JPG
Stock bow with the Cullen device
The piece removes with a lift and a pull and is held on by friction and a U - channel,.JPG
The piece removes with a lift and a pull and is held on by friction and a U - channel.
The existing overhang can be easily seen now..JPG
The existing overhang can be easily seen now.
The existing overhang can be easily seen now..JPG (94.6 KiB) Viewed 2840 times
Transmission housing resin pieces which will build up those areas and add much needed realism..JPG
Transmission housing resin pieces which will build up those areas and add much needed realism.
Transmission housing resin pieces which will build up those areas and add much needed realism..JPG (87.56 KiB) Viewed 2840 times
Plastic kit needed to seal the gap left once the side sand skirting and fenders are removed..JPG
Plastic kit needed to seal the gap left once the side sand skirting and fenders are removed.
Plastic kit needed to seal the gap left once the side sand skirting and fenders are removed..JPG (94.84 KiB) Viewed 2840 times
Nice cast metal tow hooks to replace the Cullen device..JPG
Nice cast metal tow hooks to replace the Cullen device.
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Postby Swamprat33 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:36 am

Hi Painless, You now have a real advantage over me with those Resin & plastic upgrades.
Ive not seen or heard of them before and certainly dont think they are or ever were available in UK.

Would id be possible to draw a template with dimensions from those plastic side pieces.

Ive got some of the Armorpax bits, but that is all thats available here.

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Postby PainlessWolf » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:22 pm

Good Morning.
Sure thing, Tim. ;o) I'll have some free time tonight and will see what I can do. In the meantime, this guy is the one who sold those parts I believe. It might be worth your while to contact him and see if he has any sets left hanging around. http://eastcoastarmory.com/m5.htm
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Postby Swamprat33 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:23 pm

PainlessWolf wrote: In the meantime, this guy is the one who sold those parts I believe. It might be worth your while to contact him and see if he has any sets left hanging around.


Which bloke do you mean Painless?

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Postby PainlessWolf » Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:34 pm

Tim,
East Coast Armory. I dropped the link in my earlier post.
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Postby sassgrunt » Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:11 pm

Actually, it wasn't East Coast Armory. This was a couple years ago, and It was a guy (in Colorado, if I remember correctly), I found on EBay who made the transmission covers, and then later made the adapter piece to fill the hull opening. His parts were very well made, but he only made a limited number of them. I tried to interest him in looking at 1/16 parts as well, but nothing came of it. -Mike

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Postby PainlessWolf » Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:21 pm

Mike,
Thanks for setting my recollections straight. ;o) Apologies, Tim. I wonder if this fellow still makes the 1/6 parts, Mike?
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Postby sassgrunt » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:36 pm

I had posted the EBay link on the Yahoo Groups M5 site when I found them back in May of 2013. http://www.ebay.com/itm/221222427785?ss ... 956wt_1399 I don't think he's still in business, but I wish he was - great talent!

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Postby PainlessWolf » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:59 pm

Good afternoon,
It's funny, I had just replied to an email on that Yahoo group a week or so ago advertising the 1/6 scale work that guys on this Forum were doing. ;o) I wish I had bought a set of Jack's tracks for the Stuart back when he was working on making them available. I lost track after a while of his posts and never followed up.
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Postby PainlessWolf » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:42 am

Charging up the 12 volt battery tonight. This battery is as old as the tank and still takes a charge. Nice ( if slow ) battery charger for it as well. Sometime during the course of this build, I'll buy a new tech version battery and charger for the tank. ;o) Pics:
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Charger blinking and trickle charging away....JPG
Charger blinking and trickle charging away...
This battery will do better mounted lower in the hull to free up space for the deck details..JPG
This battery will do better mounted lower in the hull to free up space for the deck details.
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Postby Swamprat33 » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:10 pm

Naaaaa, the Stuart is small and cute compared to my Armotek Panther.
you can pick up the Stuart fully laden and it is still manageable.

Can't do that with my Panther.

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Postby PainlessWolf » Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:29 pm

Good morning,
Swamprat is right, the Stuart can be displayed and moved around indoors a lot more easily than one of the all metal 1/6 scale tanks. I will go with the 'Monster' description as accurate tho'. Any 1/6 vehicle is large compared to the regular 1/16 scale that we work with. The battery for the Stuart alone, is easily over 5 pounds in weight. Looks like a standard 12 volt motorcycle battery. ;o) Speaking of which, it finally finished trickle charging this morning so I'll use it to test during the build then replace it with a new version as noted.
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P.S. Tim, I'm still working on tracing out those bulkhead seals for you. I don't have a micrometer and am using a straightedge in metric.
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Postby PainlessWolf » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:37 pm

The Client that I work for is closed today in honor of Veterans everywhere. God Bless them all. I took the gifted time to take the Stuart apart thoroughly and take some photos. I used a past Christmas gift to organize and store the many bits and pieces of kit. I immediately see that a lot of good can be done with existing parts and some detailing. If I want to make this a solid runner and eye catching to boot tho', some more bread is going to be spent. ( Ala http://www.ebay.com/itm/Book-Stuart-Tan ... 0903801286 but not as crazed... ) Pictures:
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Stock is not shabby either....JPG
Stock is not shabby either...
All tools are removable and in this scale, wooden handles are a cinch to make.JPG
All tools are removable and in this scale, wooden handles are a cinch to make
Start with removing the screws that hold these (storage) compartments on....JPG
Start with removing the screws that hold these (storage) compartments on...
More screws await inside the compartments.  A magnetic screwdriver is very handy here..JPG
More screws await inside the compartments. A magnetic screwdriver is very handy here.
A stubby and a magnetic phillips head will work to remove the 10 screws holding the deck to the lower hull..JPG
A stubby and a magnetic phillips head will work to remove the 10 screws holding the deck to the lower hull.
Not many or much to hold a large scale tank together..JPG
Not many or much to hold a large scale tank together.
Not many or much to hold a large scale tank together..JPG (91.57 KiB) Viewed 2688 times
Deck and turret removed to show the 12V electronics and plug connections..JPG
Deck and turret removed to show the 12V electronics and plug connections.
More plugs and photos to show placement,.JPG
More plugs and photos to show placement,
Amazing cheapitude!  Aerial held on with masking tape..JPG
Amazing cheapitude! Aerial held on with masking tape.
Amazing cheapitude! Aerial held on with masking tape..JPG (91.78 KiB) Viewed 2688 times
Even with the minimal use I gave this stock version, Time was catching up with it..JPG
Even with the minimal use I gave this stock version, Time was catching up with it.
Even with the minimal use I gave this stock version, Time was catching up with it..JPG (86.96 KiB) Viewed 2688 times
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Postby PainlessWolf » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:43 pm

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Motors are solid but slow..JPG
Motors are solid but slow.
Motors are solid but slow..JPG (91.78 KiB) Viewed 2685 times
Replacement single metal gears for these boxes and new motors will easily double the speed of the Stuart..JPG
Replacement single metal gears for these boxes and new motors will easily double the speed of the Stuart.
The hull is thin here so I will be happy with detailing these doors and hitch.  Also on the list is a smoker and exhaust grating here..JPG
The hull is thin here so I will be happy with detailing these doors and hitch. Also on the list is a smoker and exhaust grating here.
The hull is thin here so I will be happy with detailing these doors and hitch. Also on the list is a smoker and exhaust grating here..JPG (96.98 KiB) Viewed 2685 times
Vented battery compartment.JPG
Vented battery compartment
Vented battery compartment.JPG (98.63 KiB) Viewed 2685 times
Underside and wiring for the On-Off switch.JPG
Underside and wiring for the On-Off switch
The old battery warning sticker.  I'll put this back into place.  Per usual, remove this tank's battery to charge it..JPG
The old battery warning sticker. I'll put this back into place. Per usual, remove this tank's battery to charge it.
The old battery warning sticker. I'll put this back into place. Per usual, remove this tank's battery to charge it..JPG (79.72 KiB) Viewed 2685 times
The hull piece that fills the gap next to the output shafts from the Colorado parts maker.  No longer available..JPG
The hull piece that fills the gap next to the output shafts from the Colorado parts maker. No longer available.
Mirrored side.  Tim, these pieces are complex molds so any measurement of mine will be off or hard to follow..JPG
Mirrored side. Tim, these pieces are complex molds so any measurement of mine will be off or hard to follow.
Mirrored side. Tim, these pieces are complex molds so any measurement of mine will be off or hard to follow..JPG (82.76 KiB) Viewed 2685 times
What I am willing to do is send one of these pieces to someone like Woz.  He can scan it in and mirror it and make a set of them using his 3D Printer..JPG
What I am willing to do is send one of these pieces to someone like Woz. He can scan it in and mirror it and make a set of them using his 3D Printer.
What I am willing to do is send one of these pieces to someone like Woz. He can scan it in and mirror it and make a set of them using his 3D Printer..JPG (81.17 KiB) Viewed 2685 times
Tim, ( and anyone else interested in having or who needs a set ) let me know if this would work for you..JPG
Tim, ( and anyone else interested in having or who needs a set ) let me know if this would work for you.
Tim, ( and anyone else interested in having or who needs a set ) let me know if this would work for you..JPG (86.68 KiB) Viewed 2685 times
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Postby PainlessWolf » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:52 pm

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RC version idler arm with spring visible.  Getting a scale, working version of this is where some expected expenditure lies..JPG
RC version idler arm with spring visible. Getting a scale, working version of this is where some expected expenditure lies.
Replacement road wheel vs the split version for the resin tracks..JPG
Replacement road wheel vs the split version for the resin tracks.
Mike's tracks for his tractor build and the original sprocket which is held on by a small screw.JPG
Mike's tracks for his tractor build and the original sprocket which is held on by a small screw
Static version bogies and the rest of the needed solid road wheels and a new metal tow hook..JPG
Static version bogies and the rest of the needed solid road wheels and a new metal tow hook.
Gearbox shaft.JPG
Gearbox shaft
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The turret basket was a surprise.  Sort of a primitive slip ring set up..JPG
The turret basket was a surprise. Sort of a primitive slip ring set up.
Turret Basket gearbox.JPG
Turret Basket gearbox
View of the spindle gear for the turret rotation.JPG
View of the spindle gear for the turret rotation
View of the spindle gear for the turret rotation.JPG (96.92 KiB) Viewed 2427 times
Stock turret gear is nice and solid..JPG
Stock turret gear is nice and solid.
Stock turret gear is nice and solid..JPG (77.35 KiB) Viewed 2427 times
Mike saved me days of work by sending this deck with the sand skirts removed..JPG
Mike saved me days of work by sending this deck with the sand skirts removed.
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