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Second hand Taigen Panzer IV F2

Fixes and mods for the HL Panzer IV

Postby lifeofbrian » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:50 pm

I have just acquired a second hand Panzer IV with metal tracks and (cheap) metal gearbox. It needs some attention and as I do with all my RC's I will like to make it unique and fairly realistic. I'll start by fixing a few things then give it a weathered paint job. I'm not going for absolute accuracy, just a decent tank.

Things to do:
Find and fix firing problem(see vid)http://sendvid.com/0pu1soae
Replace broken Cupola.
Replace broken tow cable holders.
Replace or make small top hatch. Anyone know where I can buy one, I haven't ever seen one for sale?
Add turret machine gun.
Remove mantle LED.
Fix or upgrade headlights.
Find replacement tools for the broken and missing ones.


Future mods:
Upgrade radio.
Proportional Turret mod.
Smoke upgrade.
Sound upgrade.
Rear convoy light.
Correct the mantlet which looks more like a Panzer III mantlet. (looks like a lot of work)

I love this tank in War Thunder, as you can see by my avatar.
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Postby lifeofbrian » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:56 pm

Need to fill these holes
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Replace the cupola with a metal one
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Took me a while to get this apart, it just needed a good tug (don't we all) :haha:
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I'll get metal replacements for the tow cable holders
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:37 am

Well, life of Python,
there are a number of highly detailed PZ IV threads lurking in the archive here, just waiting to be dusted off..and while their respective briefs might not match your own exactly, nonetheless you should find the aims and methods described and illustrated in them very relevant:-
Here's Philipat's magnum opus, the PZ IV ausf G build (Africa Korps)..
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=13969&p=128831&hilit=Panzer+4+mantlet#p128831

Then there's this lengthy contribution from KTRob (Ausf F1 to H conversion):
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=14348&hilit=Panzer+4+mantlet

In addition, Jarndice (Shaun) on this forum is a well informed (and supportive) enthusiast, and worth following (archive- wise) in matters related to the Panzer IV. His advice is often sage like.
The Cupola is easy and cheap to replace, by the way. It's the same as the one on the Pz iii. It should just twist off, if not judicious use of a sharp knife will do the trick (and your fingers if you're not careful..)
And now for something completely different... :haha: :wave:
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Postby jarndice » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:01 pm

LoB Hi, First of all I heartily endorse Roy's (43RR) praise of "Phillipats" PZ4 build, I am certainly not the only member of this Forum who has been impressed by the quality of his work,
For the moment I will restrict myself to just two sites that might be helpful, ----
http://www.shapeways.com
Then type in "ALL PRODUCTS TAGGED 1/16",
"Wibbly" (Warren) of this Forum Prints some great PZ4 Spares for Shapeways that adorn my PZ4s including working Front and rear Fenders, You can also get a replacement Mantlet as well as cableholders,
I warn you Shapeways is a bit like a bag of peanuts, You can't stop once you start. You can even get a 1/16 full detail Maybach 120 engine for your Tank if you don't mind parting with £130 :lolno:
You mentioned the rear convoy light which makes me wonder if you have thought about a "Notek front light which you will find at any dealer selling the convoy light.
As to the Radio because of the restricted space in a PZ4 I would suggest the CLARK Board it fits inside the Heng Long RX18 holder whereas the other boards are all bigger,,
The second site I would recommend is----
http://www.heng-long-panzer.de
You need to click on the German flag and up pops the Union flag with an English language translation,
Again a lot to see and is also a place to buy a CLARK board, (I got mine from here)
I will watch your build with great interest.
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Postby lifeofbrian » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:07 pm

Cheers RecceReg, lots of good info there. :D
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Postby lifeofbrian » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:16 pm

Cheers Jarndice, great links, so many parts on that German site that I need, good prices too. :D
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Postby jarndice » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:55 pm

Hi, If you go to ----
www.an-bri-rc-modellbau.de
They have PZ 111/PZ4 Cupola hatch lids in metal for 06.95 Euros,
Working Notek rear convoy lights for 09. Euros,
Working Notek front lights for 09. Euros,
When you are on this site it is easy to get confused between working and non working Notek lights so take care.

If you go to -----
www.axels-modellbau-shop.de
They have a Schumo MG 34 Cupola mount, ( I have built one of these and they are a bit fiddly but brilliant when it is finished BUT you will need a PIN VISE) For 14.95 Euros,
They also sell a Schumo Metal MG 34 which fits into the mount at 14.95 Euros. I Hope that helps.
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Postby lifeofbrian » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:03 pm

Already found the second site, but not the first, some rare bits on there, thanks. :D

jarndice wrote:Hi, If you go to ----
http://www.an-bri-rc-modellbau.de
They have PZ 111/PZ4 Cupola hatch lids in metal for 06.95 Euros,
Working Notek rear convoy lights for 09. Euros,
Working Notek front lights for 09. Euros,
When you are on this site it is easy to get confused between working and non working Notek lights so take care.

If you go to -----
http://www.axels-modellbau-shop.de
They have a Schumo MG 34 Cupola mount, ( I have built one of these and they are a bit fiddly but brilliant when it is finished BUT you will need a PIN VISE) For 14.95 Euros,
They also sell a Schumo Metal MG 34 which fits into the mount at 14.95 Euros. I Hope that helps.
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Postby silversurfer1947 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:07 am

When you say turret MG do you mean the cupola MG or the mantlet MG? In an event, I think the examples you have picked are in fact intended for the hull mounted gun.

Generally tanks were equipped with the armoured barrel, which is the second link you have given. However, as indicated, neither gun is capable of "firing"as the barrels are solid, so you would lose that function. If it is the mantlet gun you are referring to, very little of that protrudes so it does not really make much difference.

For the cupola MG34, what jarndice has suggested would be the way to go.
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Postby lifeofbrian » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:07 am

Yeah sry the mantlet gun. I have seen a pic of a Panzer IV where it sticks out quite far, I've also seen where just the tip protrudes. At the moment there's just a hole, I suppose I could just make a gun tip with some styrene for now until I get a unit capable of giving me a second flashing machine gun.

silversurfer1947 wrote:When you say turret MG do you mean the cupola MG or the mantlet MG? In an event, I think the examples you have picked are in fact intended for the hull mounted gun.

Generally tanks were equipped with the armoured barrel, which is the second link you have given. However, as indicated, neither gun is capable of "firing"as the barrels are solid, so you would lose that function. If it is the mantlet gun you are referring to, very little of that protrudes so it does not really make much difference.

For the cupola MG34, what jarndice has suggested would be the way to go.
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Postby lifeofbrian » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:26 pm

What parts are missing from my tank? I'll add them as I find out.

1. Spanners/tow hooks, and some thing? don't know what it's called but found them for sale.
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2.This is for some sort of grab rail.
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3. I think this is for the antenna tray
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4. Don't know what it's called but I found one on aliexpress.
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Postby jarndice » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:16 pm

LoB Hi, If you want an Armoured MG34 Barrel I suggest you buy a cheap plastic MG34 and buy the Photo-Etch Armoured Barrel from "ABER"---,
www.aber.net.pl
The reason I say cheap Plastic is because you have to remove the plastic barrel and replace it with the Brass barrel,
You asked if the Aerial you showed was the correct one for the PZ 4 I am sorry to say it is not and the proper one is very elusive,
Usually it can be found on---
http://www.rctank.de
but it is not there presently,
as to what is missing two items spring to mind, apart from the aerial, and they are the aerial stowage channel and again it is not readily available but it is easy to make, the Dimensions being---11cms long---5mm wide---5mm deep and the channel is 2mm across,
The other item that I would include although it was not always fitted is the "Spare Wheel Holder" which can be found on the Shapeways site I gave you earlier.
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Postby jarndice » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:57 pm

LoB, If you do decide to get the "Schumo" MG34 Gun Mount, It clips on the inner ring of the Cupola very neatly as does the MG34 and to complete the scene I suggest you go to ---
http://www.shop.afvmodeller.com
Click on "Resin Accessories and keep scrolling down to "GURT SACKS" (these are for the empty Ammo belts) The "Schumo" gun mount is adapted to carry one of these and then scroll down a little further to the MG34 Ammo Belt which when you paint the tips in brass coloured paint really looks the part,
You will need to cut your way through the body of your MG34 to allow the ammo belt through but it is pretty easy and when you finish the whole set up on the Cupola it really does add a lot of realism.
A TIP, Try not to drop a Wolfgang Schneider Tiger in Combat volume one book on it, DOHHH
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Postby lifeofbrian » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:24 pm

Thanks for the tips and the measurements. I checked out the Spare Wheel Holder on that site, luckily they give the measurement s for that too. :D

jarndice wrote:LoB Hi, If you want an Armoured MG34 Barrel I suggest you buy a cheap plastic MG34 and buy the Photo-Etch Armoured Barrel from "ABER"---,
http://www.aber.net.pl
The reason I say cheap Plastic is because you have to remove the plastic barrel and replace it with the Brass barrel,
You asked if the Aerial you showed was the correct one for the PZ 4 I am sorry to say it is not and the proper one is very elusive,
Usually it can be found on---
http://www.rctank.de
but it is not there presently,
as to what is missing two items spring to mind, apart from the aerial, and they are the aerial stowage channel and again it is not readily available but it is easy to make, the Dimensions being---11cms long---5mm wide---5mm deep and the channel is 2mm across,
The other item that I would include although it was not always fitted is the "Spare Wheel Holder" which can be found on the Shapeways site I gave you earlier.
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Postby jarndice » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:32 pm

That is exactly what you want, Good find,
By the way don't take too much notice of dealers telling you things are only for the PZ111 because a lot of PZ111 parts are interchangeable with the PZ4,
The radio aerial for example as well as the Cupola,
If your not sure ask the Forum and someone will have the answer.
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Postby lifeofbrian » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:14 am

Ya, I quickly noticed that. I haven't been in to tanks long, only since I've been playing War Thunder on the PC, About 2 months. I'm learning a lot looking for parts, learning all the names of bits.

jarndice wrote:That is exactly what you want, Good find,
By the way don't take too much notice of dealers telling you things are only for the PZ111 because a lot of PZ111 parts are interchangeable with the PZ4,
The radio aerial for example as well as the Cupola,
If your not sure ask the Forum and someone will have the answer.
Shaun.
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Postby silversurfer1947 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:23 pm

I hope you may find these photos a help. They are of the hull of my Taigen Panzer IV. They show ty
the aerial stowage and the rail at the front.
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Postby lifeofbrian » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:24 pm

Cheers Surfer

silversurfer1947 wrote:I hope you may find these photos a help. They are of the hull of my Taigen Panzer IV. They show ty
the aerial stowage and the rail at the front.
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