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Fixes and mods for the HL Panzer III

Postby Ragnar » Mon May 28, 2018 4:02 pm

Found a piece that I had nooo idea what it was,saw in the instruction manual for my Panzer III that it was supposed to go on the left rear of the engine bay.
Anyways having no clue and realized by drilling a 1/16 deep hole in the end of it it would at least in my eyes make a perfect mount for the antenna I just HAD to have on my Panzer......
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Postby midlife306 » Mon May 28, 2018 4:18 pm

Your tank commander doesn’t look best pleased lol
Looks good to me
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Mon May 28, 2018 4:31 pm

midlife306 wrote:Your tank commander doesn’t look best pleased lol
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Vy ist dis thing ind de vay oot mein machine gun dumkoff. . . . .

Looks cool to me, just hope it's not a vital part of the tanks workings ;)
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Postby Ragnar » Mon May 28, 2018 6:42 pm

Well then in all their infinite wisdom HL shoulda labeled them so we knew what the hell they are, such as that strange looking gizmo on the inboard side of the left fender or wing in the British vernacular. :D
Ps ver daus you see a machine gun?....hmmm?
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Postby jarndice » Mon May 28, 2018 6:56 pm

Hi, The PZ111 had two MGs one in the radio operators Position beside the Driver and a Co-Axial MG in the Turret alongside the Main Gun,
The "Gismo" on the left fender is the "NOTEK" Light which is simply a shielded front light also found on the PZ4 in the same position.

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Postby Ragnar » Mon May 28, 2018 8:54 pm

Thx for the clarification jarndice’
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Mon May 28, 2018 8:56 pm

jarndice wrote:Hi, The PZ111 had two MGs one in the radio operators Position beside the Driver and a Co-Axial MG in the Turret alongside the Main Gun,
The "Gismo" on the left fender is the "NOTEK" Light which is simply a shielded front light also found on the PZ4 in the same position.

Doesn't the commander have one attached to his copular?
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Postby jarndice » Mon May 28, 2018 9:20 pm

I am nowhere near as knowledgeable about the PZ111 as I should be,
I usually fit an MG34 on the SCHUMO MG Mount on the PZ4s Cupola But I am not sure whether the PZ111 had the same arrangement,
I am sure that wiser heads will tell us the facts.

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Mon May 28, 2018 9:30 pm

jarndice wrote:I am nowhere near as knowledgeable about the PZ111 as I should be,
I usually fit an MG34 on the SCHUMO MG Mount on the PZ4s Cupola But I am not sure whether the PZ111 had the same arrangement,
I am sure that wiser heads will tell us the facts.

Bugger, fat lot of use that is, I want to know if that bloody antenna is in the way. . . . @) ;)
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Postby jarndice » Mon May 28, 2018 9:37 pm

If you are after the location of the aerial I do know that the location for some variants of the PZ111 was in the same position as the PZ4s when it was mounted on the right hand side of the Body above the jack and below the turret.

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Postby PainlessWolf » Mon May 28, 2018 9:38 pm

Good afternoon,
This type from MATO will work on the PzIII cupola. The Gurt sack can be found at a couple of different resin vendors and the little mount for it was scratched out of leftover brass sheeting.
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Mon May 28, 2018 9:44 pm

Thanks Mr Wolf, but the question is, did they use MG's on the Panzer 3's commanders cupola?
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Postby PainlessWolf » Mon May 28, 2018 10:06 pm

Hello again,
Sharing the same turret cupola as the Pz IV and with the increasing Allied control of the skies, I would have to believe that they did use the MG34 in an anti-aircraft role. Here is a shot of the mount from a PZIII in Bovington.
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Mon May 28, 2018 10:13 pm

Thanks Mr Wolf, yes, I've seen that museum photo, but I've just looked at over 100 war time photos of Panzer 3's, and not one had an MG on the cupola, or evidence of an MG mount, I feel like I'm bringing evidence to ruin my own argument :( and I REALLY want to see the evidence within a WW2 photo.
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Postby PainlessWolf » Mon May 28, 2018 10:19 pm

S.O.A.G,
Like my *for sure I have seen it in a pic* MATO style idler on the M36B1, more research will be required. I have to go grill for the Holiday meal but will check back in to see what you have found. *bows*
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Postby jarndice » Mon May 28, 2018 10:34 pm

When I was building 813 a Tunisian Tiger1 I wanted to put an MG34 on the Cupola but learned heads told me that the early Tiger1s did not have such a fit, But a combination of Painless's encouragement and some very grainy pictures showing what was supposed to be a field modification got me knocking together a mount very much like the PZ111/4 that Painless made,
For the purists I made up two cupolas, one with the MG34 and one plain so I can swap them around and if you are going to fit a metal cupola on the PZ111 you could fit that out with the MG and use the plastic cupola when some smartass comes by.

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Mon May 28, 2018 11:46 pm

Well, I think I've finally found evidence right at the end of the film I haven't long posted, I took this still from the film, sadly it's very dark at the running gear, I'm hoping it is a three, a three passed in front so it was a desperate struggle to stop the film at the right time.

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Postby Ragnar » Mon May 28, 2018 11:49 pm

DON’T ...CARE ...ITS MY TANK AND THE ANTENNA STAYS !! :haha:
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Tue May 29, 2018 12:03 am

Nor do I now, stick it where the sun don't shine for all I care :P I'm now more interested in real ones :P :haha:
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Postby Ragnar » Tue May 29, 2018 12:30 am

Son of a gun-ner wrote:Nor do I now, stick it where the sun don't shine for all I care :P I'm now more interested in real ones :P :haha:


Thank you!
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