Antenna base

Fixes and mods for the HL Panzer III

Postby Ragnar » Mon May 28, 2018 4:02 pm

Found a piece that I had nooo idea what it was,saw in the instruction manual for my Panzer III that it was supposed to go on the left rear of the engine bay.
Anyways having no clue and realized by drilling a 1/16 deep hole in the end of it it would at least in my eyes make a perfect mount for the antenna I just HAD to have on my Panzer......
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Postby midlife306 » Mon May 28, 2018 4:18 pm

Your tank commander doesn’t look best pleased lol
Looks good to me
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Postby Ragnar » Mon May 28, 2018 6:42 pm

Well then in all their infinite wisdom HL shoulda labeled them so we knew what the hell they are, such as that strange looking gizmo on the inboard side of the left fender or wing in the British vernacular. :D
Ps ver daus you see a machine gun?....hmmm?
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Postby jarndice » Mon May 28, 2018 6:56 pm

Hi, The PZ111 had two MGs one in the radio operators Position beside the Driver and a Co-Axial MG in the Turret alongside the Main Gun,
The "Gismo" on the left fender is the "NOTEK" Light which is simply a shielded front light also found on the PZ4 in the same position.

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Postby Ragnar » Mon May 28, 2018 8:54 pm

Thx for the clarification jarndice’
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Postby jarndice » Mon May 28, 2018 9:20 pm

I am nowhere near as knowledgeable about the PZ111 as I should be,
I usually fit an MG34 on the SCHUMO MG Mount on the PZ4s Cupola But I am not sure whether the PZ111 had the same arrangement,
I am sure that wiser heads will tell us the facts.

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Postby jarndice » Mon May 28, 2018 9:37 pm

If you are after the location of the aerial I do know that the location for some variants of the PZ111 was in the same position as the PZ4s when it was mounted on the right hand side of the Body above the jack and below the turret.

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Postby PainlessWolf » Mon May 28, 2018 9:38 pm

Good afternoon,
This type from MATO will work on the PzIII cupola. The Gurt sack can be found at a couple of different resin vendors and the little mount for it was scratched out of leftover brass sheeting.
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Postby PainlessWolf » Mon May 28, 2018 10:06 pm

Hello again,
Sharing the same turret cupola as the Pz IV and with the increasing Allied control of the skies, I would have to believe that they did use the MG34 in an anti-aircraft role. Here is a shot of the mount from a PZIII in Bovington.
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Postby PainlessWolf » Mon May 28, 2018 10:19 pm

S.O.A.G,
Like my *for sure I have seen it in a pic* MATO style idler on the M36B1, more research will be required. I have to go grill for the Holiday meal but will check back in to see what you have found. *bows*
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Postby jarndice » Mon May 28, 2018 10:34 pm

When I was building 813 a Tunisian Tiger1 I wanted to put an MG34 on the Cupola but learned heads told me that the early Tiger1s did not have such a fit, But a combination of Painless's encouragement and some very grainy pictures showing what was supposed to be a field modification got me knocking together a mount very much like the PZ111/4 that Painless made,
For the purists I made up two cupolas, one with the MG34 and one plain so I can swap them around and if you are going to fit a metal cupola on the PZ111 you could fit that out with the MG and use the plastic cupola when some smartass comes by.

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Postby Ragnar » Mon May 28, 2018 11:49 pm

DON’T ...CARE ...ITS MY TANK AND THE ANTENNA STAYS !! :haha:
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Postby Ragnar » Tue May 29, 2018 12:30 am

Son of a gun-ner wrote:Nor do I now, stick it where the sun don't shine for all I care :P I'm now more interested in real ones :P :haha:


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Postby jarndice » Tue May 29, 2018 12:57 am

And that is why I made up two Cupolas, One with an MG and one without,
That way if Mr Picky came by for his annual inspection and a cup of tea and a biscuit I would not get caught out.

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Postby Ragnar » Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:35 pm

Just got back around to this thread and it made me think actually that gun mounting looks cool on our models,I too will probably do one,But there’s probably a pretty good reason we don’t see them.
Think for a minute the Kriegsmarine mounted heavy AA armament on their U boats and ordered their captains to fight it out on the surface against aircraft in order to save time transiting to patrol areas.
Ya,we all know how that worked out for’em :S
Same reasoning with a mg 34 mounted on a exposed position on a turret top.
Oh and as to the antenna getting in the way nope don’t think so that mg could swivel very far on its mount but doubt very much it could ride the rim of the cupola because of the hatch covers. 45 degree to either side probably as far as it could go.
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SOAG,Apology accepted .....TTUP. :wave:
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Postby Ragnar » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:11 pm

TWO THUMBS UP! :haha: TTUP
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Postby Ragnar » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:07 pm

Thought TTUP be a bit more obvious!


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Postby Markocaster » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:23 am

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Postby AlwynTurner » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:20 am

Maybe it's me but... that antennae position doesn't make a lot of sense. The minute the turret turns the rear of the turret would just surely bend/break the antennae.......??

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Postby jarndice » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:11 pm

Surely to goodness that's not a PZ111 but a late model StuH 42 without a muzzle brake so no turret to turn and the aerial is safe.
SOURCE, Page 86 of the Encyclopedia of German Tanks of WW2 has a photograph.

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