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Postby NAB » Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:27 pm

I want to get an airbrush. After a bit of research I found the top brands and a bit of searching on Amazon I found this:

Harder & Steenbeck Ultra D sen 0,2mm+0,4mm Becher 2ml+5ml https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0090ZD6WA/ ... AC1YVN0NXC

Can any airbrush pros give their opinion please.

I want a silent compressor. How much should I budget for this?

Airbrush Compressors Mini Air Compressor Silent Double Action Quiet Spraying Kit Professional Piston Paint 20-23 Liters/Minute 230V UK Plug https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07R4NPGYQ/ ... VMH8CDK6BS

Is this too cheap?

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Postby jhamm » Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:47 pm

Did you read this, i think it will help:
viewtopic.php?f=151&t=30809&hilit=airbrush

A compressor without pressure tank is not a good idea!
The compressor will push the warm air into the hose and water will condense there.
Don't be fooled by the amount of 20-23 litres/minute, this is the amount of air sucked in, not the amount of compressed air delivered.
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Postby NAB » Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:11 pm

Thanks for that. I did see it a while ago and forgot about the thread sorry.

So my chosen airbrush seems good.

Just the compressor that I need help finding.

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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:16 pm

If it helps, my airbrush costed me 12 euros free shipping. Is one of the cheapo ones in aliexpress. I find no resson for replacing it.
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Postby jhamm » Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:36 pm

Rad_Schuhart wrote:If it helps, my airbrush costed me 12 euros free shipping. Is one of the cheapo ones in aliexpress. I find no resson for replacing it.



...before or after 1 July this year ? ;D
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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:48 pm

jhamm wrote:
Rad_Schuhart wrote:If it helps, my airbrush costed me 12 euros free shipping. Is one of the cheapo ones in aliexpress. I find no resson for replacing it.



...before or after 1 July this year ? ;D


Bought it like 6 years ago, so yeah, now it would be 12 euros + 20% tax + 5 eur importariff, lol. Still cheaper than the other option though.
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Postby Sub » Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:50 pm

Hi.
Check this out if in UK.
http://www.rdgtools.co.uk

https://www.rdgtools.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh00 ... html#SID=4

This is what i use for over 7 yrs now oil free and faultless

You can just buy the compressor with air tank and regulator and water trap

Hope its of use.
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Postby jhamm » Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:15 pm

Hey sub,
this is a good find.
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Postby Herr Dr. Professor » Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:21 pm

First of all, I most certainly agree that a compressor with a tank is far better than a small hobby compressor, for all the reasons listed and that it can be handy for other uses, such as, say filling the car tires, blowing yukky things off the windowsills, etc.

Here's where I I might be something of an outlier on this one. The Harder and Steenbeck air brush is claimed to be a "starter." The price, however, strikes me as a bit stiff. Since about 1972, I have used single action and double action air brushes, and I still favor the single action for spraying 1/16. I use an old "Binks Wren" (Binks as in JarJar Binks of Star Wars fame). The single action works fine for larger areas (as e.g. priming or doing a single-color finish coat on a tank). The single action brush, in my experience less likely to clog, less difficult to adjust correctly, but puts out heavier and larger width coats. Hence, if you are used to spray cans, the single action brush will be a bit more familiar. My experience is that an external mix, single-action brush is less expensive, good for gaining experience, and likely still to be useful 50 years later.

An internal mix, double action brush is more difficult to adjust, more apt to not get along with some paints, but great for fine spraying of light coats, as in spraying camouflage freehand.

There's my long-winded answer (as a retired professor, I have a reputation to maintain).
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Postby NAB » Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:33 pm

Sub wrote:Hi.
Check this out if in UK.
http://www.rdgtools.co.uk

https://www.rdgtools.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh00 ... html#SID=4

This is what i use for over 7 yrs now oil free and faultless

You can just buy the compressor with air tank and regulator and water trap

Hope its of use.
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These kits are also on Amazon.

Because it's my first airbrush experience I was thinking of going for a branded name airbrush but these kits look good value.

CO-Z Professional Airbrush Kit with 1/6hp Single Piston Air Compressor with 3L Tank, 0.35mm Gravity Feed Airbrush Gun, 1.8m Hose & Airbrush Holder for Model Craft Painting Cake Decoration and More https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09B1R6Q57/ ... UTF8&psc=1

Thoughts on this one? I think it's a risk with a kit because I wonder what quality they exchange to make it less expensive. Maybe I'm just being cynical lol

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Postby NAB » Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:37 pm

Timbertech Airbrush Kit with Air Compressor ABPST05 With Powerful Air Pressure and Strong Air Flow for Hobbies Crafts Nail Art Temporary Tattoos Cake Decorating Cosmetics Auto-Motorcycle Graphics and so on https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00LO4PKY2/ ... 69XSB9SFSR

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Postby Sub » Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:46 pm

Thx Jahmm..
Hi Herr Dr...
The choice of airbrush is quite a personal thing, the single action is ok for most things and especially good for someone who perhaps does not have good hand coordination.

As for spraying large or small areas, i have two, one with a fine needle and jet and one for large areas with a larger jet and needle.
There are occasions when a dual action is really only the one to use, like when you wish to vary the spray whilst using it ie feathering the paint thickness when approaching another colour and fading the paint in, this is where your ratio of paint to air needs to be adjustable hence the dual action.
As i said earlier its all personal choice and what you want to achieve, a single action is ideal for beginners,
But soon gets limited, if you want to get creative.
Its all good stuff and useful info.
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Postby Sub » Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:33 pm

Hi Nab.

No air tank with that one...

The air tank gives you a reservoir of pressurised air to use so it is not " pulsed " with each stroke of the compressor piston.

It gives an even flow of air into the airbrush for an even spray..

But you pays your money and takes your chance.

Good luck with whatever choice you make.
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Postby NAB » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:37 pm

Ok I'll go for the kit you supplied the link for.
You just get one nozzle size with it?
I've read that for modelling it's best to get 0.2 up to 0.5?

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Postby NAB » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:50 pm

I've had a look and chosen an airbrush that comes with different size nozzles and also a compressor with a tank like you suggestedImageImage

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Postby tankme » Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:27 pm

That compressor is a Chinese copy of the "Paasche D3000R 1/5 HP Compressor with Tank, Regulator and Moisture Trap". I had the Paasche version and it worked well. It was actually pretty loud which is why I went with the overkill California AirTools CAT-2010A compressor. The CAT-2010A is one of the quietest compressors you can buy and with the large tank it only fills up about every 20 min of spraying. Might be harder to get being that I'm in the States and it is a US company and it is more expensive than a Chinese air compressor copy. I'm sure the one you picked out will work fine if you don't mind the noise. My compressor is indoors and I spray while people are sleeping so I'm glad I went with the quieter compressor. Remember when you are dealing with sound an increase of 3dB doubles the sound intensity, but a 10dB increase is required before a sound is perceived by a human ear to be twice as loud. IE: 9DB is twice as intense as 6DB and 12DB is twice as intense as 9DB. It becomes an logarithmic curve.

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Postby NAB » Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:44 pm

I do want a quiet compressor

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Postby tankme » Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:26 am

AS-186 compressor is listed at 47DB so this one may be quieter than the Paasche. May want to see if there are any real DB tests on the internet to reference as most Chinese copies tend to falsify their specs from what I've seen. To compare: 29DB and lower for computer fans are considered very low noise. Most larger compressors are in the 75DB or higher rating. My pancake 6 gallon Bostitch compressor I use for my air nailers is around 78DB which I would say is loud. That is so loud in fact that if I forget to turn it off, I can hear it kick on in the attached garage (kitchen door closed), through the kitchen, through the living room and into my bedroom. On the other hand my current airbrush compressor cannot be heard from the bedroom if my hobby door is open even being in the house.

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Postby General Jumbo01 » Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:51 pm

I use a Badger airbrush with a compressor with tank, water trap, variable pressure and gauge but before the compressor came along l used to use a fully inflated large spare car wheel. You can purchase airbrush adaptors with variable pressure valves for use with car wheels very cheaply and they provide a totally smooth air supply to your brush. Downside is that they have to be inflated before use and they take a fair bit of storage space but they are a cheap and effective option. Quiet too!
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Postby NAB » Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:59 pm

General Jumbo01 wrote:I use a Badger airbrush with a compressor with tank, water trap, variable pressure and gauge but before the compressor came along l used to use a fully inflated large spare car wheel. You can purchase airbrush adaptors with variable pressure valves for use with car wheels very cheaply and they provide a totally smooth air supply to your brush. Downside is that they have to be inflated before use and they take a fair bit of storage space but they are a cheap and effective option. Quiet too!
Are you saying to use a fully inflated car tyre instead of a compressor??

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