Non-historically accurate tank builds?

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Postby Tucker427 » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:18 pm

I'm not a military tank enthusiast but I love tanks non the less. I see many people spend great time and effort making their tanks true to historical form. However, I don't have the expertise or the passion to start such a project. I want to do my tank like what West Coast Customs and Overhaulin do with their cars. Not so much a lowrider king tiger with a neon light underglow :D that's not where I'm going. Still want my tiger to look mean.
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Postby Kaczor » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:25 pm

Not all tanks here are historically accurate. Many of us like the idea of '46 tanks - what if ww2 didn't end in 1945. But chrome and shiny "pimp-my ride" Tiger sounds fun.
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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:34 pm

Hi, all my diorama is based in a dystopic 1951, so I can do everything I want and it will be absolutelly correct.

Here are two examples:
https://radindustries.wordpress.com/202 ... -friedhof/
https://radindustries.wordpress.com/202 ... r-iv-zorn/

But I have walking robots and so on too.

So feel free to make new things! I am waiting for the Ghost Tiger that Herr Jimster has on the to do list.
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:36 pm

As a youngun' l built a IS-3 in bright red with jacked up rear end, 4 wide chrome wheels, big chromed V8 and blower. The local wargaming club wouldn't allow it anywhere near a battle table but l know they were just jealous. I may even still have it....somewhere!

Our general rule of thumb is that it's your tank so you can run it anyway you want.

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Postby Tucker427 » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:45 pm

Kaczor wrote:Not all tanks here are historically accurate. Many of us like the idea of '46 tanks - what if ww2 didn't end in 1945. But chrome and shiny "pimp-my ride" Tiger sounds fun.


Forget chrome, what about a Gucci King Tiger with 9ct gold plated zimmerit and encrusted diamonds :haha:

Funny you should say that, because I was thinking what if the Germans had a secret stealth King Tiger in the works. That could be a hint for my build.
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Postby Tucker427 » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:52 pm

Rad_Schuhart wrote:Hi, all my diorama is based in a dystopic 1951, so I can do everything I want and it will be absolutelly correct.

Here are two examples:
https://radindustries.wordpress.com/202 ... -friedhof/
https://radindustries.wordpress.com/202 ... r-iv-zorn/

But I have walking robots and so on too.

So feel free to make new things! I am waiting for the Ghost Tiger that Herr Jimster has on the to do list.


Cool tanks, it's nice to see something unique. Thanks for the encouragement!
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Postby Tucker427 » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:57 pm

General Jumbo01 wrote:As a youngun' l built a IS-3 in bright red with jacked up rear end, 4 wide chrome wheels, big chromed V8 and blower. The local wargaming club wouldn't allow it anywhere near a battle table but l know they were just jealous. I may even still have it....somewhere!

Our general rule of thumb is that it's your tank so you can run it anyway you want.

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Haha, I would have liked to have seen it, or you're just pulling my leg!
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:58 pm

All true,

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Postby Jimster » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:13 pm

I’m inspired to work on my Ghost Tank project this evening. I have all the parts just needed a kick in the pants to get things started.
Too many projects, too little time.
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Postby jarndice » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:24 pm

Tucker427 wrote:I'm not a military tank enthusiast but I love tanks non the less. I see many people spend great time and effort making their tanks true to historical form. However, I don't have the expertise or the passion to start such a project. I want to do my tank like what West Coast Customs and Overhaulin do with their cars. Not so much a lowrider king tiger with a neon light underglow :D that's not where I'm going. Still want my tiger to look mean.

The late and very much missed General Alpha never built what anyone with an historical bent would call an accurate representation of a Tank BUT everything about them was magnificent and his figures were just fabulous many being based on Girls Und Panzer ,
The man was a one off and had not a scintilla of convention in a single brain cell, Loved him :thumbup:
So with that in mind please feel free to build the tank that YOU want,
There are no laws or conventions that should confine you in this hobby. :thumbup:
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Postby sassgrunt » Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:54 pm

Several decades ago when I was still young and impressionable, I remember a t-shirt that showed a side view of a Panther tank (as I remember it), that was raked forward and fitted with some manufacturer's brand of chromed rims. I always thought they might Centerline rims, but after searching several times for the image; I never could find it.

There are the small Military Muscle Machines diecast vehicles that would be a good inspiration for a larger build...

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Postby jee » Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:09 am

Well, it is your tank so you can do with it what you want. Would be cool to see your creativity
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Postby r32 » Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:55 am

I personally think it is futile to worry too much about historical accuracy.

Just keep in mind that even if you *could* obtain enough reference material and have the skills to model it to the smallest detail, it would only be a snapshot of your subject at a very specific moment in time - it would have less damaged skirting a month before, and days after the photographs were taken, the crew may have been changed and the stowage layout could be different.

As some guys have said - do it up how you like it, although personally I have always found "1946" implausible due to where the front lines were in May 1945, although the notion of a lone heavy tank heroically standing against the Slavic hordes with unlimited supplies of ammunition and fuel might make for a good Hollywood yarn.

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Postby Jimster » Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:01 pm

Heck yes “1946” is implausible. That’s what makes it so cool for what-if fantasy builds. Releases some creative juices. For example some wonder weapon could’ve caused some last minute push back on both fronts to the point of creating a whole new situation. Anyway, we’re just playing with toys. Cool map and video.
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Postby Raminator » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:43 am

r32 wrote:As some guys have said - do it up how you like it, although personally I have always found "1946" implausible due to where the front lines were in May 1945, although the notion of a lone heavy tank heroically standing against the Slavic hordes with unlimited supplies of ammunition and fuel might make for a good Hollywood yarn.

Arthur Harris would've glassed Berlin if the Führer hadn't ragequit. :haha:

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Postby jarndice » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:42 pm

If the Manhattan Project had not been so slow or the advance of the Soviet army so swift Berlin would have been the first recipient of an Atom bomb,
It was certainly always scheduled to be the first primary target,
It is doubtful that the project would ever have received the massive funding that it did if an obscure Japanese city in the south of that country far from the capital was first proposed as the original epicentre.
It would be interesting as to what aircraft type would have been used to deliver the atom bomb to Berlin,
The B29 was almost never seen in the ETOs and neither the B17 or B24 could carry it which pretty well ensures the Avro Lancaster would have been given the assignment BUT who would have crewed it, American fliers or British Empire airmen :think: :think:
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Postby r32 » Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:57 pm

I've sometimes wondered why the Third Reich didn't bring back the use of gas out of sheer desperation. They showed they had little scruples in everything else - yes, I know the story that Hitler himself was gassed and thus resisted the use of it. Nevertheless, it could have given the Allies a nasty shock after the first few deployments that they needed to pause to consolidate while gas masks were brought up and issued to the front. Their V-1 and V-2 rockets could have also delivered more gas, and possibly bio-weapons arising from their experiments in the concentration camps - those didn't manage to come into fruition either.

These could have bought them a little more time, but with much of their key infrastructure (manufacturing of ammunition and weapons, food, fuel, raw materials and manpower) being in enemy hands, in my opinion they passed the point of no return sometime in 1944. There were a number of brilliant ideas that eventually got appropriated by the victors - the swept wing, the nightfighting equipment, the V-series rocket, etc. that leads a daydream, but the fact of the matter is that none of those, with the aforementioned limitations, would have been scalable to mass-production.

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Postby jhamm » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:17 pm

Possibly there were still people who didn't want that.
There is no known case where the German military leadership has considered the use of gas.
The ban on the use of poisonous, chemical and biological weapons has been respected.
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:41 pm

jarndice wrote:It would be interesting as to what aircraft type would have been used to deliver the atom bomb to Berlin,
The B29 was almost never seen in the ETOs and neither the B17 or B24 could carry it which pretty well ensures the Avro Lancaster would have been given the assignment BUT who would have crewed it, American fliers or British Empire airmen :think: :think:

We had a few very hush hush top secret black Lancaster's with no identification markings solely for the purpose of dropping the A Bombs, because, although they would have struggled taking off with the payload, and weren't able to achieve the same altitude, and were slower than the B29's, they were on standby with British crews, in case the Americans couldn't sort their undersized bomb doors.
Therefore, it is feasible that the Lancaster could have been used to drop one on Berlin, even though the crews would have more than likely perished themselves because of the unlikely ability to outrun the shockwave.
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:51 pm

Have a video on the subject.

Watch "Hiroshima 1945 - The British Atomic Attack" on YouTube
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