Oh No! I fell off the tank-wagon again...

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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:27 pm

:( :D
Six months tank-sober, then, when idly surfing through Ebay I chanced upon a well-configured HL Panther G, sporting metal tracks. In a blur, it began to feature in 'The same old (familiar) story'. :thumbdown: Before I could summon up the anti-tank genie, I'd clicked the 'buy' button. :/

Still, when the tank arrived today, I comforted myself with the knowledge that it will make a very attractive 'runner' in the garden, now that my Tamiya Panther has sacrificed (temporarily) its gearboxes and flash unit to the Jagdpanther project. It's new, but had been upgraded with metal tracks before being shipped. A pack of uprated springs was also included. Another feature to sweetened the deal is the presence of steel (not zinc or nylon) gearboxes inside, along with a V.6.1 unit. Then, there's a pleasing extra I've not seen before: a USB battery charger, designed specifically for the supplied Li-ion battery. I like the fact that it has a handy LED warning light, that flashes during charging, but turns steady green when the battery's ready to go. All chargers should have some visual warning device to indicate charge status, IMHO. At the same time, tanks delivered from Germany, as this was, routinely include a two-pin European mains charger that's useless in the UK, unless you happen to have an adaptor for it.
It has been said before, and often lately, that HL have really raised the RTR bar lately. The camo job is good enough to remain un-tinkered with, apart from a dab, or two, from some Tamiya weathering sticks, I think. Again, the accessory pack includes all the usual tools, spare tracks, battling mushroom (it's IR and BB), and more. Whilst not cutting edge, they're still made to a standard that takes them beyond the 'toy' category. Last year, I bought a set of late Tiger1 metal wheels, and now I'm thinking of how much better this model would look with them :think: No.......not more expense :/ :/
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Here's pic of a Panther running on Tiger 1/2 style late metal wheels:
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Several members have fitted Tiger-type wheels to the Panther, with impressive results- including our Hermann Bix's well-received Panther Z-Fuss project
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I seem to remember that Tankmad also fitted Tiger wheels or, if not, contributed to a thread that described the mod.
Anyway, I'd say that the current iteration of Heng Long's Panther moves the model out of any toy category, and almost into a collector's category (no, ...not the refuse collector... :lolno: :lolno: )
The Tank addict's collection, that is. :D
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Postby Jimster » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:36 pm

Man, that’s a nice looking tank from the get go. Great crisp photography as well. Post a video of it on maneuvers when you get a chance.

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Postby john1970 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:46 pm

Do you have the ebay link still?

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:45 pm

Great score!
I have one also god a future project.
Bring the 6.0 it moves well and sounds great too.
The IR system is compatible with others and the apple is fairly discrete .
Be cool to see what you do with it Mr 43rd
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Postby Max-U52 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:11 pm

Looks great, Roy. Good score. I'm waiting for you to explore the electronics. It's a 6.1, so what features does it have that my 6.0 JP doesn't? I think the only things the JP doesn't have are barrel recoil with the airsoft and smoke from the barrel. Did you get lucky with either of those?
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:44 am

Jim: I use the iPhone 8 Plus much of the time, as it's actually difficult to take a bad photo with one (so long as you get the light, perspective, and other basics right). I also have a couple of Canon EOS SLRs, and a bag full of lenses. These days, though, I like the quick and satisfying results I can get with an iPhone... without all the palaver of setting up the EOS.
I guess, if you want to share info and experience via photos, then one should aim to make the pics clear and crisp. :thumbup: That way, you can see which whisky (Scottish spelling) or Bourbon another contributor has in the background (or even foreground :D ) of his shots ;)

John: It was a one-off sale, but the German vendor is a regular on Ebay by the looks of it.

HB: Yeah, I was lucky to find it so well equipped from the outset. For the moment, it's just going to be a runner, as I want to paint the Cromwell, Comet, and then the Jagdpanther- if the weather gods look down favourably upon me...

Gary: I've only just charged the batteries and, as luck would have it we've had high humidity (and unusual sticky armpits) with thunderstorms up here in the Highlands, whilst they've been roasting down there in England. Thunder tomorrow too, but I might find a break for a quick trial run. :thumbup: If not, it'll be the Schwimmpanzer's turn! It's a really nice looking tank. I have some Tamiya spares for the Panther, and Jagdpanzer, which I might graft on where the detail needs it.
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Postby Jimster » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:14 am

Are you making fun of my cheap American whiskEy and iphone11 pro max? Just kidding, man. iPhones can make good photographers out of anyone but it takes an “eye” to set up the shot. And if I may be frank, a good attitude and friendly personality really help make a thread enjoyable to follow. Carry on with your Panther and I will surely follow along.
Now I’ll have just one more half shot. Cheers my friend.

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Postby PainlessWolf » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:31 am

Good afternoon,
Mention Bourbon and I am summoned. Sweet Panther there, Doc. I look at it and it is a blank Canvas for a huge Detail Job to follow. ;o) I'll be following along, sir. ( How does your provided commander figure look out of the box? Pretty good features and molded of hard plastic? Let me know if you have one of the older rubbery types with distorted facial features and I can go through spares and mail you a good one if you need it )
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Postby Estnische » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:49 am

Hi Roy, a nice pick up. Good to see you didn’t even try to justify it be saying “ I need it because...”. :D

There are versions of the new Heng Longs that are starting to make Tamiya appear redundant, in my eyes at least. Same for Taigen running gear - totally gutting a Heng Long and replacing everything is going to be a fading memory. Which will be kind of disappointing - I’ve enjoyed the plastic surgery.

One area you do need to address are those periscopes.
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:43 pm

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Estnische wrote:Hi Roy, a nice pick up. Good to see you didn’t even try to justify it be saying “ I need it because...”. :D

There are versions of the new Heng Longs that are starting to make Tamiya appear redundant, in my eyes at least. Same for Taigen running gear - totally gutting a Heng Long and replacing everything is going to be a fading memory. Which will be kind of disappointing - I’ve enjoyed the plastic surgery.

One area you do need to address are those periscopes.


Ha! Well, I gave up on excuses (and vanity) when I entered my 'twilight' years, Brett. :lolno: It seems to me, life is too short to make them- and defend them :D
That said, I have an older brother In the US who still uses a mirror, picks matching clothes, and will never admit to being wrong- ever. I'm convinced that this would still be the case after waterboarding. ;)
Yes, I'll certainly make an effort to find convincing-looking periscopes for not only, the JP and the Panthers, but also that StuG IV project that's sitting on the (unlit) back burner.

As for the potential for HL to knock Tamiya off the top spot, well, I'll say that Tamiya still makes the best alloy hulls, and running gear- by a country mile. Superficially, and definitely in terms of Electronic components, HL is beginning to match, and even overtake Tamiya. (Hey! No need to arrive just yet, Rad :haha: ).

Here's a visual comparison of the Panther, which is still waiting for grab handles, and all the other add ons, and my dusty old Tamiya Panther.
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(Note to self:) One of these days, I shall make a real effort to paint the Tamiya properly, and age it a tad.
I forgot to mention that the HL Panther comes with PE grills for the engine deck already fitted. As you can see.The Panther kit from Tamiya didn't even supply them (though I got an excellent set with my Jagdpanther)

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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:56 pm

Jimster wrote:Are you making fun of my cheap American whiskEy and iphone11 pro max? Just kidding, man. iPhones can make good photographers out of anyone but it takes an “eye” to set up the shot. And if I may be frank, a good attitude and friendly personality really help make a thread enjoyable to follow. Carry on with your Panther and I will surely follow along.
Now I’ll have just one more half shot. Cheers my friend.


:D Wouldn't dream of it. :haha: Incidentally, the Irish also spell Whisky as 'Whiskey', just like you ex-colonials :D .
Speaking of which "Old Bushmills' Irish whiskey is a decent slurp. My fave single-malt Scots whisky, however,
is an affordable 10-year old Glenmorangie (Gaelic: Gleann Mòr na Sìth "vale of Tranquillity"), but topped by the unaffordable 18-year old vintage. It's like angels dancing on the tongue (Followed by Pink Elephants when you overdo it...)
Whether 'Whiskey' or 'Whisky' they're both from Gaelic: 'Uisge- Beatha/ 'Water of Life'.
As for the iPhone 11, well it does take outstanding pics, even when used by a duffer. My lad in Switzerland has one, but I couldn't justify one given the cameras
I already have. Always your pinsharp pics, and drollery. :thumbup:
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:08 pm

PainlessWolf wrote:Good afternoon,
Mention Bourbon and I am summoned. Sweet Panther there, Doc. I look at it and it is a blank Canvas for a huge Detail Job to follow. ;o) I'll be following along, sir. ( How does your provided commander figure look out of the box? Pretty good features and molded of hard plastic? Let me know if you have one of the older rubbery types with distorted facial features and I can go through spares and mail you a good one if you need it )
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Thanks, Painless. So you're the Bourbon Genie, are you :D I think Jim Beam's the only one I've ever wetted the whistle with (that used to be 'whetted' in archaic English).
The Commander is on par with Tamiya supplied examples, and free of the deranged, and Marty Feldman-like expression, we associate with your legendary "Crazy Joe' :D It's hard plastic.
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Postby john1970 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:27 pm

they look very similar in size wonder how well the Atak zimmerit would fit on the heng long.

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Postby PainlessWolf » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:56 pm

Good Morning Roy!
A couple of pics of my Panther which was a Taigen plastic hull version that I did a detail and gearbox upgrade on back in the day. You have seen these before and I post only to show you what can be done with the rear deck detailing ( and also my 'wounded' Commander )
regards and following along,
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P.S. This tank is slated to get one of the new ( and wonderful ;o) metal lower hulls with the correct wheels, etc...etc...
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:07 am

Thanks, and a tastefully enhanced Panther, Painless- as ever :thumbup:
John: As you can see, the dimensions of the two are pretty much identical. For this reason, Zimmerit, and other extras for one, should pretty much fit the other. :)
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:44 pm

I thought I'd get the Panther properly kitted out, before giving it a trial run. The first thing was to press all the tools, and ancillary parts, into place. They're something of a tight (press) fit, with a coating of paint in the way, bit of relieving's needed here and there. The good thing is, it's not really necessary to use any cement with these fittings. Once they're in place, they're never likely to fall off..thumbup:
I didn't want to ruin the tank's surprisingly pleasing paint finish with HL decals, and opted to use Tamiya Panther water-slide decals. Down the road a bit, I'll probably use some light Tamiya weathering to give it more of a lived-in look. At the same time, the Commander will need fleshing out a tad.
I forgot to mention, that when the package first arrived, I noticed that a puzzling ticking sound was coming from it. If I were paranoid, I'd assumed that someone had inserted a Mission Impossible set of auto-destruct instructions in with the tank. In the event, it emerged that the transmitter was on, and had gone into intermittent red flash mode. So, I chose to accept the mission anyway. :D
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Here's the smoker starting up:
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and a clearer image:
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It wouldn't work at first, and I realised I must have overtopped 'the hole of filling' (you gotta love these Chinglish expressions). All you need to do, if you've oversoaked the smoke unit- with the Panther, anyway- is to turn it upside down, and drain the excess off.
Now, it works a treat. I'm also very impressed with the MFU; it did exactly what it should do.
In fact, everything works incredibly well, I'm delighted to say. :thumbup: Who would have thought it a few years ago. :eh:
The four engine sounds are easy to select, and the proportional (engine speed) effect is especially good. The BB cannon really has quite a bit of venom in it, and the turret moves very smoothly (almost a full 360, no less).
I really didn't want yet another tank, but, I am glad I bought this one. Even with hefty metal tracks it handled large chipping, my wooden ramp, wet grass on a steepish slope (the one I broke my ankle on), and can spin on carpet, grass, bird droppings (it happened :/ )and laminate flooring. In other words, although I'm too old for a full 'Wow!', this Heng Long product actually brought a smile to my face, replacing its default grimace :thumbup:
It really doesn't need any further expenditure. But....... :shh: :think: if I were to embellish it in any way, it might be with a set of these Wecohe Panther tools- from Dom at rctank.de:
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Wecohe tank tools...round about 32 Euros.
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Postby c.rainford73 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:09 pm

Fantastic panther, very cool and simple approach!

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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:12 pm

c.rainford73 wrote:Fantastic panther, very cool and simple approach!

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Thanks, Carl. The fact is, not that much needs to be done to this model. It looks okay and performs well. A wee bit of weathering is all that's really needed, to give it a more authentic patina.
Yep, I can heartily recommend one of these budget buys. :thumbup: It's also a case of- 'it ain't broke, so don't fix it'. That's just as well, really, as my backlog of projects is beginning to stretch to the horizon. :problem: :D
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:05 am

Your train of thought is the same as mine on these new HLs
99% of the time they sit on a shelf, as long as they look ok the running part can be near enough.
The Panther I got as a birthday present will be done up but not overly endowed with exotic features.
That way it can do it’s thing without risk of breaking bits off or needing the support of NASA to keep it running.
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Postby c.rainford73 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:35 am

Can't agree enough. With all of the complex and extremely detailed pieces we build and collect, a nice runner that is virtually plug and play and easy to maintain and good looking has me considering one of these entry level pieces.

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