Torro vs Mato

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Postby hexbugspider » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:47 pm

Hey everyone, I've recently gotten back into the hobby of rc tanks and I am looking for another one to accompany my henglong m41a3!

So, ideally I would love an abrams, but a tiger or leopard 2 would suffice. Since i'm in the uk the main website i'd be using is tankzone.co.uk, they stock mato's all metal line and torro's "pro" line.

I would use my tank hard outdoors, taking it through deep mud/water and sand. I understand that no tank is truly waterproof but there are measures that can be taken to boost it's water resistance.

Sadly neither torro nor mato seem to make an abrams.. There is the tamiya kit, however in the uk the cost of that would be around £1200...
So the verdict is, torro leopard 2 pro edition or mato full metal tiger 1?
I've seen many videos of both tanks being driven hard so I assume they can take it, however which one is superior? At a glance the mato appears a little crude in some places due to the metal casting whereas the torro's plastic shell could limit it in structural strength?

Please help a noob out,

Thanks!
-Nick. :D

mato- http://www.tankzone.co.uk/cart/mato_inf_t1.htm
torro- http://www.tankzone.co.uk/cart/torro_inf_leo2a6.htm

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Postby Max-U52 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:13 pm

Hello, and welcome aboard from the Motor City. I think most of the guys here, myself included, will advise you to stay as far away from tankzone as you can possibly get. In the UK the favorite vendor of this forum is Dave at Forgebear tanks. Tank Zone has a horrible reputation and many guys here have been burned by them in the past.

Next, someone is sure to point out that at this forum the proper etiquette is to first start a thread in the introduce yourself section and let us know a little bit about yourself. I'm not really a stickler for that and I don't really care, but some of the guys here take it pretty seriously so if you want to make friends it would be a good idea to post a little thread in the introduce yourself section.

As for the tanks, I've owned both Mato all metal and Torro tanks and I will take the Torro everyday, hands down. The metal that Mato uses to build their tanks is not the highest quality and can cause a lot of problems, and their customer service leaves a lot to be desired. Dave, on the other hand, provides excellent customer service and is an authorized dealer for Toro and taigen tanks. Most of the guys here love him and if you get ahold of him you will find out for yourself exactly why.

So once again, welcome aboard, I'm sure you'll find lots of useful information here.
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Postby Max-U52 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:17 pm

Also, if you click on my username to get to my profile and then click on "see all users started topics" you'll find a thread in there where I built an Abrams, the HL, and just went totally crazy on it. Metal tracks, sprockets and idlers, road wheels, brace the inside, custom paint, etc, etc. That thread may give you a few ideas of what can be done with the HL Abrams and you might decide that's the way to go. If not, I always recommend the tiger one to start with. No other tank has been reproduced in model form more than the tiger one and there are more parts and accessories available for that tank than any other.
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Postby Max-U52 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:18 pm

Double post. Doh!
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Postby hexbugspider » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:29 pm

Max-U52 wrote:Hello, and welcome aboard from the Motor City. I think most of the guys here, myself included, will advise you to stay as far away from tankzone as you can possibly get. In the UK the favorite vendor of this forum is Dave at Forgebear tanks. Tank Zone has a horrible reputation and many guys here have been burned by them in the past.

Next, someone is sure to point out that at this forum the proper etiquette is to first start a thread in the introduce yourself section and let us know a little bit about yourself. I'm not really a stickler for that and I don't really care, but some of the guys here take it pretty seriously so if you want to make friends it would be a good idea to post a little thread in the introduce yourself section.

As for the tanks, I've owned both Mato all metal and Torro tanks and I will take the Torro everyday, hands down. The metal that Mato uses to build their tanks is not the highest quality and can cause a lot of problems, and their customer service leaves a lot to be desired. Dave, on the other hand, provides excellent customer service and is an authorized dealer for Toro and taigen tanks. Most of the guys here love him and if you get ahold of him you will find out for yourself exactly why.

So once again, welcome aboard, I'm sure you'll find lots of useful information here.



Oops sorry ! I will post a thread in the newcomers forum shortly.. So torro it is! From forgebear tanks. So should the question really be taigen Vs torro?

Also huge thanks for the quick reply, I didn't know tankzone was that bad!

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Postby hexbugspider » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:30 pm

Max-U52 wrote:Also, if you click on my username to get to my profile and then click on "see all users started topics" you'll find a thread in there where I built an Abrams, the HL, and just went totally crazy on it. Metal tracks, sprockets and idlers, road wheels, brace the inside, custom paint, etc, etc. That thread may give you a few ideas of what can be done with the HL Abrams and you might decide that's the way to go. If not, I always recommend the tiger one to start with. No other tank has been reproduced in model form more than the tiger one and there are more parts and accessories available for that tank than any other.



Okay I'll look into it, thanks :D

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Postby Ludwig von wigbearer » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:04 pm

Hi, you wont go far wrong with a taigen or torro tank, as for Tankzone I have had several dealings with
them, and on the majority of occasions there has been some sort of an issue, luckily I haven't been bitten
as hard as some forum members.
As for Dave and Julie (FORGEBEAR) once you place your order you can sit back knowing your in safe hands,
your item arrives quickly and well packaged, if you contact FORGEBEAR Dave responds in no time, whereas
Tankzone don't bother to reply.

regards john :wave:

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Postby hexbugspider » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:16 pm

Ludwig von wigbearer wrote:Hi, you wont go far wrong with a taigen or torro tank, as for Tankzone I have had several dealings with
them, and on the majority of occasions there has been some sort of an issue, luckily I haven't been bitten
as hard as some forum members.
As for Dave and Julie (FORGEBEAR) once you place your order you can sit back knowing your in safe hands,
your item arrives quickly and well packaged, if you contact FORGEBEAR Dave responds in no time, whereas
Tankzone don't bother to reply.

regards john :wave:


That's great to hear that forgebear actually provides a legitimate service.. Am I wrong to believe the torro/taigen are the same brand? On forgebears site, tanks like the t-34-85 seem to go by the name torro/taigen so i'm a little confused haha.

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Postby Ludwig von wigbearer » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:34 pm

Quite often the Torro comes in the wooden box, also make sure your tank has the steel gears and not zinc
ones.

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Postby PainlessWolf » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:38 pm

Good morning,
Seems like TORRO is the EU and Pan Asia supplier while TAIGEN ( through retailers like IMEX ) services the Americas. Both are usually the same vehicle ( tho' they might be embellished or upgraded by individual retailers )
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Postby jarndice » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:41 pm

I went through a spate of Tiger 1 Plastic/ABS rear plate failures so I went to Dave @ www.forgebeartanks.com and bought a Mato Metal rear Panel,
Dave advised me that it would not be a proper fit,
I of course went ahead and MADE It fit :lolno:
Being metal I no longer worry about the Rear Plate failing,
I would not advise buying a Mato Tank if you have a choice of a Heng Long /Taigen/ Torro ,
The metal that is used over time crumbles indeed the only thing that would attract me to one is the standard fit of a Clark MFU,
Very few parts of a Mato Tiger are interchangeable with a Heng Long or Taigen Tiger1.
Dave has a choice of Leos on sale so if you have £340/360 burning a hole in your pocket that has to be the place to go. :thumbup:
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Postby hexbugspider » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:47 pm

Ludwig von wigbearer wrote:Quite often the Torro comes in the wooden box, also make sure your tank has the steel gears and not zinc
ones.


will do :D

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Postby Max-U52 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:48 pm

hexbugspider wrote:
Ludwig von wigbearer wrote:Hi, you wont go far wrong with a taigen or torro tank, as for Tankzone I have had several dealings with
them, and on the majority of occasions there has been some sort of an issue, luckily I haven't been bitten
as hard as some forum members.
As for Dave and Julie (FORGEBEAR) once you place your order you can sit back knowing your in safe hands,
your item arrives quickly and well packaged, if you contact FORGEBEAR Dave responds in no time, whereas
Tankzone don't bother to reply.

regards john :wave:


That's great to hear that forgebear actually provides a legitimate service.. Am I wrong to believe the torro/taigen are the same brand? On forgebears site, tanks like the t-34-85 seem to go by the name torro/taigen so i'm a little confused haha.


Torro and taigen are the same tanks, made in the same Factory.
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Postby hexbugspider » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:50 pm

PainlessWolf wrote:Good morning,
Seems like TORRO is the EU and Pan Asia supplier while TAIGEN ( through retailers like IMEX ) services the Americas. Both are usually the same vehicle ( tho' they might be embellished or upgraded by individual retailers )
regards,
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Yup that's fine, as long as they're both decent starting tanks.

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Postby hexbugspider » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:52 pm

jarndice wrote:I went through a spate of Tiger 1 Plastic/ABS rear plate failures so I went to Dave @ http://www.forgebeartanks.com and bought a Mato Metal rear Panel,
Dave advised me that it would not be a proper fit,
I of course went ahead and MADE It fit :lolno:
Being metal I no longer worry about the Rear Plate failing,
I would not advise buying a Mato Tank if you have a choice of a Heng Long /Taigen/ Torro ,
The metal that is used over time crumbles indeed the only thing that would attract me to one is the standard fit of a Clark MFU,
Very few parts of a Mato Tiger are interchangeable with a Heng Long or Taigen Tiger1.
Dave has a choice of Leos on sale so if you have £340/360 burning a hole in your pocket that has to be the place to go. :thumbup:


sounds good, i think ill go with a torro leopard 2a6!

thanks for your help :D

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Postby hexbugspider » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:18 pm

Max-U52 wrote:
hexbugspider wrote:
Ludwig von wigbearer wrote:Hi, you wont go far wrong with a taigen or torro tank, as for Tankzone I have had several dealings with
them, and on the majority of occasions there has been some sort of an issue, luckily I haven't been bitten
as hard as some forum members.
As for Dave and Julie (FORGEBEAR) once you place your order you can sit back knowing your in safe hands,
your item arrives quickly and well packaged, if you contact FORGEBEAR Dave responds in no time, whereas
Tankzone don't bother to reply.

regards john :wave:


That's great to hear that forgebear actually provides a legitimate service.. Am I wrong to believe the torro/taigen are the same brand? On forgebears site, tanks like the t-34-85 seem to go by the name torro/taigen so i'm a little confused haha.


Torro and taigen are the same tanks, made in the same Factory.



Okay thanks for clearing up my confusion! :D

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Postby hexbugspider » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:10 pm

You know,
Something inside me still pushes to spend nearly 1200 on a tamiya abrams kit.. I don't know why, i'm sure their quality isn't that amazing and it'll break if it does so much as touch a puddle. Maybe even a tamiya tiger, by i've noticed thats the forbidden "t" word so i'll refrain from saying it too often :haha:

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Postby hexbugspider » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:16 pm

Like I get why the kit costs that much, it's probably, electronically the most advanced tank kit money can buy, for example it has gun stabilisation, auto demo mode where the tank runs through a series of preset commands, barrel auto raises when it turns to the rear and the direction of recoil changes depending on the direction the turret faces. So yeah, fancy stuff.

My only query is can I use any old 4channel radio? The official tamiya one is about £150 whereas I can find decent looking alternatives for around £40! Any help?

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Postby john1970 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:14 pm

Theres a tamiya abrams on ebay cheaper than £1200 21hrs left only 14 feedback tho

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tamiya-US-M1 ... SwiGBe0pYs

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