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Postby jstevens » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:12 am

I have just started a new project building the Henglong challenger even though it probably wont have much Henglong left of it when completed. I am fitting FPV and lucky enough to have a friend who is 3D printing any brackets thats required. Do many guys on here use FPV? I have not seen much chat about it wondered if there was any reason why..

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Postby General Jumbo01 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:01 pm

I use FPV for flying and have used the FPV gear perched on a tank but l've just ordered a tiny cheap FPV drone (£26) just to remove and use the FPV on a Leopard 2 to which lm also fitting a red laser pen for aiming, all facilitated by Henglongs V6 mfu. The Leopards turret front cuts back to the hull so has a sort of hidden section ideal for cameras and beams provided they are small.
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Postby jimbo_wa » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:01 pm

Not many have gone the FPV route as it’s extra expense and electrickery is not always welcome.

It’s something that is on my list, one day...


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Postby Max-U52 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:09 pm

FPV hasn't really caught on around here. There are a couple guys that have stuck a video camera to the top of a tank and driven around, but dedicated FPV systems in tanks and trucks are still pretty rare, from what I've seen. I've put FPV cams in several tanks and trucks, including a WPL M35 seen below, and a 1/6 scale Hetzer. If you watch close in the video you'll see the Hetzer at about 50 seconds, and you'll also see other cool stuff, like a 1/6 scale 250 halftrack and a 540K Mercedes in the same scale, and maybe even a couple of cats. 8)

The M35 in the photo is what we're driving around in for the video, the lights on the bar can be turned on/off from the TX (4ch spektrum pistol grip), the box in the back (3D printed with wood filament) holds the FPV gear and the power supply for the lights, and you can just see the camera mounted in the passenger seat. The bonus to putting the camera in (what to me is) the passenger seat is that my Brit buddies feel right at home looking at the world from that perspective. @)

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And this was taken with a Mobius cam from the top of my Jagdpanther to show off the tank village I was building. I also have the Mobius docking station for real time FPV. You'll see an external shot of the JP at the end without the cam attached. I view things through goggles and I also have a Little Pilot screen I can mount to the TX. Unfortunately, you aren't going to find too many guys here that have gotten more sophisticated than I have, which isn't much. :'(

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Postby General Jumbo01 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:10 pm

Ah, but at the slow speed tanks travel you don't need or want FPV goggles, just a mobile phone holder clipped on your transmitter. That way you can see the whole battlefield from the eye and your targeting view from the screen.

As above, a 1080p HD WiFi link to your screen is more than good enough and £26 and a bit of cannibalism is very little to expend. There's s link to the drone on this site.

Edit: we posted together Max - very nice installations!
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Postby Max-U52 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:19 pm

General Jumbo01 wrote:Ah, but at the slow speed tanks travel you don't need or want FPV goggles, just a mobile phone holder clipped on your transmitter. That way you can see the whole battlefield from the eye and your targeting view from the screen.

As above, a 1080p HD WiFi link to your screen is more than good enough and £26 and a bit of cannibalism is very little to expend. There's s link to the drone on this site.


I disagree. Driving a tank through my village with FPV goggles was loads of fun. WiFi systems (or bluetooth) aren't bad, but you get a lot more lag and interference than I get with a dedicated TX. The expense isn't that much, about $25 for the TX, and another $10 for the camera (that's USD). The hardest part is learning all the new stuff you need to know, but I was lucky to have one of the best Gurus out there, Imex Erik. He uses them in drones and is light years ahead of the primitive stuff I've displayed above. We've even talked about FPV tank battles with two man teams, one driver and one gunner, but we'll need a lot more FPV enthusiasts before that becomes a reality.
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:26 pm

I wish you the best of luck with that project. To clarify, for those of us who battle in a hall the benefit of being able to see the whole battlefield at a glance is too valuable BUT if everyone was FPV only then it would be great fun. You are lucky to have a tank village to play in. Here in the UK we have lots of tarmac and pavements!!
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Postby Max-U52 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:08 pm

General Jumbo01 wrote: Here in the UK we have lots of tarmac and pavements!!


One of my favorite TV shows comes from the UK, it's called "Escape to the Country" and it makes me drool with every episode at the fantastic countryside you enjoy over there. I'm especially impressed with Cornwall. I'd give my eye teeth to live in a place like that. And no matter where you are in Britain you're not far from large numbers of talented RC Tankers. The closest really cool battlefield to my house is 1,200 miles. I think to drive that far in the UK you'd pretty much have to go from the southern tip to the northern and then back again, right? Hey, like the Hobbit - There and Back Again!! Sorry, got off on a tangent. Anyway, the point is that if you're lookin' for sympathy because you're in the UK you're barkin' up the wrong tree, Old Chap. @) @) :/ :/ :haha: :haha:
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Postby jstevens » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:32 pm

I have just been out and about in Cornwall for a few hours just to get some fresh air and yes I do feel lucky.. I do have FPV in my Leopard 2a6 but the fitting is very basic once the challenger is completed I will take it out of action and do a full refit and get the parts I need 3D printed. I love using it its fitted into the front sensor on the turret I use the Ares HR screen attached to my transmitter.. I do agree if you was using it in a battle scenario I think it would only be practical if all tanks had them fitted. I know there are a lot of guys on here from my nearest group, even though we do have one in Plymouth its only a few guys driving their tanks around. I am 2 hours away from Bristol so my look at attending on a regular basis..

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Postby General Jumbo01 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:14 pm

If you live in and around London it takes hours of driving to get to the countryside and even then it's all private farmland. Cornwall is a holiday destination! But yes, it's not 1200 miles away but if you live in the country, and in a country as large as the US there is far more countryside around and even small towns are in the middle of nowhere (yes, l've been there and toured) you have easy access to woodlands, unless you live in a large city.

Let's be honest, a club that's 3 hours away may as well be on another planet unless you are fairly dedicated! The answer of course is to start one nearby...
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:37 pm

General Jumbo01 wrote:I wish you the best of luck with that project. To clarify, for those of us who battle in a hall the benefit of being able to see the whole battlefield at a glance is too valuable BUT if everyone was FPV only then it would be great fun. You are lucky to have a tank village to play in. Here in the UK we have lots of tarmac and pavements!!

'...Lots of tarmac and pavements...'? Maybe where you live, G.J, but you'd have to travel almost eighty miles to find it (Inverness), where I live, G.J. :D Once you escape the sprawling London molloch there's plenty of scenery to provide living backdrops to FPV clips. That, despite the attempts by successive governments to build all over Green belt. @)
Some potential Tankpark places in my own garden for future FPV scenes:
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Ramp for tanks

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Garden Ardennes

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Rhine crossing...

A wee Rhine crossing, suggesting the need for a 1/16 scale Remagen Bridge. :D
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Ardennes campaign

There's been a lot of rain lately, but the flow of water can be relied upon in the 'river,' as a leaky field drain never seems to run dry (unlike my drinks cabinet :haha: )
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Hill 112-tank testing slope

In the Summer (should it deign to appear), I might well try fitting an FPV unit to a tank barrel. With someone else to operate another tank, it would be cool to film one in motion from the moving FPV unit.
Sorry for the slight deviation from the thread theme...
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Postby jstevens » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:41 pm

Its all relevant the idea was to hear every ones thoughts on FPV and yes the footage of another tank on the move from a scale perspective.. That's a very nice battle ground that you have there!

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Postby General Jumbo01 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:17 pm

Isn't Inverness just NW of the moon? It would take me all day to get to the Scottish Highlands! I could just move!! :)
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Postby jstevens » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:25 pm

So its not in Cornwall then!

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Postby General Jumbo01 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:42 pm

No, Cornwall is just SW of the moon, near Wales and Liverpool. I must upgrade my sat nav ;)

But for all this nonsense, FPV must surely be the way to go if everyone is so equipped. Can anyone recommend a simple to fit and use reasonably priced unit?
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Postby jstevens » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:55 pm

My latest camera with transmitter is about £35 and my local shop is selling the FPV screen at half price £50 the camera fits into the turret sensor of the challenger with a small modification..

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Postby General Jumbo01 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:13 pm

Are you happy with it? If so, could you please post a link to it, just in case my drone purchase doesn't work out.
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Postby jstevens » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:24 pm

I am more than happy with it good picture and no connection problems.. He doesn't do on line I will get the details from him tomorrow but its the Ares 7 Inch HD FPV Monitor Screen - 32ch Auto Scan 5.8ghz if you wanted one I could get it and forward it on..

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Postby Max-U52 » Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:13 am

Here's just a couple examples that are available, banggood, hobby king and gearbest are all good places to get cheap fpv components.

https://usa.banggood.com/RX5808-5_8Ghz- ... rehouse=CN

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/mini-cmos-f ... e-600.html

https://usa.banggood.com/Eachine-TX5258 ... ehouse=USA

Those are just examples of what you need, a screen, a receiver, a transmitter and a camera. Make sure to check voltages. My systems run on 12 volts so I have 3S lipos for them and plan accordingly during the build. In the Hetzer and the FPV truck the fpv system has it's own dedicated power supply. Fpv can be loads of fun, but as with any other aspect of this hobby, there can be a frustration level and there's definitely a learning curve. But it ain't rocket science, and if a Gomer like me can do it ...
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Postby jstevens » Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:51 am

I must admit the system I am using its about £85 but it is plug and play you put the camera where you want it connect it up and away it goes. I had no problems, probably can get a cheaper set up, but is all I need for my other tanks now is the camera with built in transmitter.

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