Are 3D models really Scratch Built.

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ronnie42 wrote:Now who is going to be the first to scratch build a 1/16 hetzer. As for the stamped out parts from the man in germany , they can't be classed as scratch built. He has done all the hard work setting out the cuts.
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Or we're just all modellers, but with different skills.
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You take a reel of filament or a can of resin (raw materials) and use a 3D printer (tool) to fabricate parts, I don't see it as a problem calling that scratch building?
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My two pence worth

A scratch builder.. creates parts with his own hands ..
Physically touching and forming the parts from Flat plastic sheets or a material
They physically manipulate

A 3d modeller that actually create the original 3d rendering
Is also very skilled at reading drawings and understanding
Its final form ...
But because there's such little manual work involved in forming the end model
Other than a keyboard and some cleaning up of parts there's not much difference
From buying a plastic injection kit because all you do Is just
Finish the contence of the " box "
In my eyes 3d modelling is not scratch building but simple kit bashing but has it's merits
For making the same part multiple times like wheels
But absoultly not scratch building

Ipms . If it has more that 25% manufactured parts it's not scratch built but a kit conversion
There's a lot of debit about 3d print .. but generally classed in the same group as resin cast
So not classed as scrathbuilt but as manufactured..
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This is really funny, no one at any point claimed that 3D printing is scratch building.

It’s just a tool, I’ve printed 5 metres up to press of 1/6 scale T35-A tracks, just another 4 metres or so to go, once I got the model tweaked for smaller 3mm pins (by the original designer) due the cost of anything bigger, I load the model on any or all of my printers & hit print, end of.
I doubt anyone else would contemplate making that many tracks, but I have the tool so why not use it lol
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mcevoyi wrote:My two pence worth

A scratch builder.. creates parts with his own hands ..
Physically touching and forming the parts from Flat plastic sheets or a material
They physically manipulate

A 3d modeller that actually create the original 3d rendering
Is also very skilled at reading drawings and understanding
Its final form ...
But because there's such little manual work involved in forming the end model
Other than a keyboard and some cleaning up of parts there's not much difference
From buying a plastic injection kit because all you do Is just
Finish the contence of the " box "
In my eyes 3d modelling is not scratch building but simple kit bashing but has it's merits
For making the same part multiple times like wheels
But absoultly not scratch building
Have you ever used 3d printed parts Iain?

Talk to the likes of Alwyn, Wibbly, woz etc if working with 3d printed isn't manual.

Hell I can attest it's nothing like working with a plastic kit. Whilst print qualities always improving, clean up of parts requires proper modelling skill. As does putting the thing together.

This whole it's only scratch building if it's from styrene with a knife with my own hands is pointless modelling elitism.

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Yep Tom I've used parts ..
So far I've used one flash suppressor at the end of a as90 barrel
And has some wheel extention rings made for a e25
that's it
And elitism .. no it's called jealousy

tomhugill wrote:
mcevoyi wrote:My two pence worth

A scratch builder.. creates parts with his own hands ..
Physically touching and forming the parts from Flat plastic sheets or a material
They physically manipulate

A 3d modeller that actually create the original 3d rendering
Is also very skilled at reading drawings and understanding
Its final form ...
But because there's such little manual work involved in forming the end model
Other than a keyboard and some cleaning up of parts there's not much difference
From buying a plastic injection kit because all you do Is just
Finish the contence of the " box "
In my eyes 3d modelling is not scratch building but simple kit bashing but has it's merits
For making the same part multiple times like wheels
But absoultly not scratch building
Have you ever used 3d printed parts Iain?

Talk to the likes of Alwyn, Wibbly, woz etc if working with 3d printed isn't manual.

Hell I can attest it's nothing like working with a plastic kit. Whilst print qualities always improving, clean up of parts requires proper modelling skill. As does putting the thing together.

This whole it's only scratch building if it's from styrene with a knife with my own hands is pointless modelling elitism.

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midlife306 wrote:This is really funny, no one at any point claimed that 3D printing is scratch building.
I beg to differ, sir. I thought I said exactly that.
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tomhugill wrote:Have you ever used 3d printed parts Iain?

Talk to the likes of Alwyn, Wibbly, woz etc if working with 3d printed isn't manual.

Hell I can attest it's nothing like working with a plastic kit. Whilst print qualities always improving, clean up of parts requires proper modelling skill. As does putting the thing together.

This whole it's only scratch building if it's from styrene with a knife with my own hands is pointless modelling elitism.

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Agreed, Tom. Scratchbuilding is really a very loose term. Just for example, take the painball system I put in the 1/6 hetzer. I custom made the frame for the trunion, machined the trunion for elevation and traverse, modified a paintball gun, had some lines custom made, and used just about any other tool I could think of to get the job done, but is it not still a scratchbuilt paintball cannon? It definitely wasn't a kit, and I think that's the deciding factor. I made the whole thing from bits and pieces. With the 3D printer it's just a lot easier to make bits and pieces. Take this truck for example (which still has a long way to go)

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Pretty much everything you see except the steering wheel and the headlights was 3D printed with a roll of filament and the help of a very talented and generous fellow modeler. I would definitely call this a scratchbuild, though I suppose it could be called a 3D printed model, but it definitely wasn't a kit. It was basically some files on the computer and a roll of weed whacker line, but now it's a truck. A WC-51, to be precise.
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No.
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