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Postby silversurfer1947 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:24 pm

I'm looking at something on Aliexpress. There is the option of having it shipped from Germany so I am wondering, does this mean it avoids the attention of HM Customs and saves me the possibility of getting hit with the VAT?
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:38 pm

https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussio ... from-china
There's a illuminating discussion here on ordering from AliExpress, Richard. Technically, if an item is being shipped from Germany, you will already have paid VAT on it there, I guess. Sounds a bit odd, though. How can they swing that?
I've had Futubas sent from Hong Kong and not paid a bean on them. Some vendors mark the items as 'gifts' and understate their value. It's a common practice, and one we- as upright citizens- are expected to frown upon :lolno:
(not..). I've had Royal Mail, Customs, and Uncle Thomas Cobley on my back demanding a cut from me for packages from the US. A BIG cut.. @)
Maybe I'll try Aliexpress. The Tax Raptors seem to be looking West, not East... :shh: :D
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Postby bikerdude » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:02 pm

Not sure about AliExpress, but I've ordered a few things from a website called 'Lightinthebox'. You order from China, and at checkout you can choose to pay 'customs insurance' which is only a small amount. Twice I opted not to pay the insurance, the packages came direct from china and I had to pay around £3 customs, plus RM's ridiculous 'handling' charge or something like £10.
The other times I paid the insurance, the items arrived in the same timescale, still from China (confirmed by watching the tracking), with Chinese writing on some of the labels, but also some German, and no customs/handling charges. Seems if you pay the insurance they send from China to a depot in Germany, stick some new labels on it and send it on to you.

I assume if they can do it, that other companies will also have a similar setup.

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Postby wibblywobbly » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:35 pm

No VAT or excise duty is payable on goods that are imported from other EU countries, but I have ordered plenty of stuff from China and never been asked for anything, except once. That was about ten years ago and was an RC helicopter worth about £600, so I got stung big time. The problem was really DHL, they report imports and send an invoice for the duty etc. Other postal services seem to be ok.

Anything under £20, or a gift is duty free as I recall, hence why the Chinese undervalue the goods. It's a question of are the goods 'worth' what you are paying, or is the value what the materials cost to make, which is a fraction of the retail price?
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Postby Max-U52 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:04 pm

Okay, I just got the whole Uncle Bob thing sorted out, so who the hell is Uncle Thomas? You boys sure have a lot of uncles. 8)
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Postby Max-U52 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:25 pm

Does that mean Bob is gay?
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Postby jarndice » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:28 pm

Gary, There is a song from the West Country of England called "Widdecombe Fair" it is a sing a long song often sung at summer parties when drink (Preferably a strong cider) is served,
In the song is a list of names which includes Uncle Tom Cobley,
For reasons that escape me he is often quoted in relation to any conversation which includes a long list of characters,
His name is usually followed by "And all".
Shaun.

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Postby midlife306 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:25 pm

Well I need to change my prescription because my Grandma used to use either Charlie or Fanny’s you’re aunt.

Gary, a fanny is something completely different this side of the pond lol
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Postby silversurfer1947 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:05 pm

I think it was Winston Churchill who said that the United Kingdom and the United States were two countries separated by a common language.
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Postby Marco Peter » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:57 pm

Everytime I check this thread I'm hoping for a compilation of 'Best Buys' on ALiexpress, for our hobby haha!
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Postby 971wright » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:11 pm

Hi If you have joint names on paypal you and the boss , customs duty only kicks in at £40 you both get allowed £20. Unfortunately the American postal laws which have very big penalties means they can not lie when posting something from the states so they cant say something is cheaper than it is in fact they have to over estimate price just in case. I had a Tamiya turret given to me I just had to send postage , still had to pay duty this side of the pond. As for stuff from China never had a problem with customs .

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Postby Max-U52 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:05 am

silversurfer1947 wrote:I think it was Winston Churchill who said that the United Kingdom and the United States were two countries separated by a common language.


Actually, George Bernard Shaw is credited with that quote. I first heard it when George C. Scott, playing George S. Patton, quoted George B. Shaw at a Ladies event during the war. Too many Georges in that sentence!! 8)
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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:01 am

I did literally a coumple of hunders of orders at aliexpress. I buy almost everything from there, and only once had problems with customs.

They always lie in the customs declaration. no matter how expensive is what I buy, they always declare a value under 20 with free shipping, and as a gift or commercial sample.

The bigger parcels always go through NL post. So it goes from china to holland, and they put another sticker on the parcels.

Wathever you do, never order with DHL or EMS shipping.
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Postby Marco Peter » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:49 am

Son of a gun-ner wrote:
Marco Peter wrote:Everytime I check this thread I'm hoping for a compilation of 'Best Buys' on ALiexpress, for our hobby haha!

We await your research and findings with gleeful anticipation :D


Here ya go haha!
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/2018-Nie ... 0.0.RZkknC
Cool Tiger Fibel T-shirt
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:14 pm

Rad_Schuhart wrote:I did literally a coumple of hunders of orders at aliexpress. I buy almost everything from there, and only once had problems with customs.

They always lie in the customs declaration. no matter how expensive is what I buy, they always declare a value under 20 with free shipping, and as a gift or commercial sample.

The bigger parcels always go through NL post. So it goes from china to holland, and they put another sticker on the parcels.

Wathever you do, never order with DHL or EMS shipping.


:silent: :shh: :shh: :shh: to misquote one of out famous Wartime posters, Rad: "Careless talk costs livres.." (should be 'lives'..). :lolno: Much of what we write here ends up directly on Google, 8O so don't tell the revenue men all about our little evasions... :haha:
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Postby rochesb » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:27 pm

I suspect HMRC are after bigger 'fish' than the occasional parcel from outside the EU with a misleading (or dishonest) value declaration.

If you believe the various TV news items broadcast, the amount of counterfeit & downright dangerous stuff that finds its way into this country beggars belief. How many times have you come across a 'bargain' online at a price that is too good to be true?
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:39 pm

rochesb wrote:I suspect HMRC are after bigger 'fish' than the occasional parcel from outside the EU with a misleading (or dishonest) value declaration.

If you believe the various TV news items broadcast, the amount of counterfeit & downright dangerous stuff that finds its way into this country beggars belief. How many times have you come across a 'bargain' online at a price that is too good to be true?


I suspect that they're not bothered about us modelling minnows, as well. I just wanted to worry Rad ! ;) It's the Trading Standards bods who have the 'poisoned chalice' here (hopefully, not literally.. 8O ), and not so much HMRC. From my days in Local Government
when being sent on useless 'Team building' exercises, (without the weights, but with the dumbbells.. :haha: ), I used to meet bods from all other departments. The ones with the nails gnawed down to the quick, always seemed to come from Trading Standards... :think:
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Postby Max-U52 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:58 pm

Marco Peter wrote:
Son of a gun-ner wrote:
Marco Peter wrote:Everytime I check this thread I'm hoping for a compilation of 'Best Buys' on ALiexpress, for our hobby haha!

We await your research and findings with gleeful anticipation :D


Here ya go haha!
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/2018-Nie ... 0.0.RZkknC
Cool Tiger Fibel T-shirt


I'd be willing to bet that the Brigadier has at least a dozen of those Girls und Panzer t-shirts. @)
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:19 pm

Max-U52 wrote:
Marco Peter wrote:
Son of a gun-ner wrote:
Marco Peter wrote:Everytime I check this thread I'm hoping for a compilation of 'Best Buys' on ALiexpress, for our hobby haha!

We await your research and findings with gleeful anticipation :D


Here ya go haha!
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/2018-Nie ... 0.0.RZkknC
Cool Tiger Fibel T-shirt


I'd be willing to bet that the Brigadier has at least a dozen of those Girls und Panzer t-shirts. @)

Ahem...that was Major-General, Gary, and sadly the phenomenon that was Alpha was well before Marco's time here... :| :D
He's right of course, albeit obliquely, about how easily threads are derailed here..hmm.., now there's a mixed metaphor :eh: ..and another potential grammatical derailment..erm..
Have you ever ordered anything from AliExpress? :)
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Postby Marco Peter » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:09 pm

43rdRecceReg wrote:Have you ever ordered anything from AliExpress? :)

Me? Apart from that shirt? Well... I guess 100 orders or so? Hahaha!

For example airbursh-related items, small Heng Long parts, etc. Basically when I need something I simply check AliExpress first. ;D
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