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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:35 pm

Well, not the proverbial garden slowcoach variety, anyway; but this former 79 ton rarity:
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Tortured Tortoise A39- languishing at Kirkcudbright firing range..

Only six were made, and Tom has the only 1/16 version, so far as I know. :haha: At almost 80 tons, 33ft in length and 13 ft wide, not many bridges would have been happy to support it, nor narrow streets eager to allow it to pass through Northern Europe.
Bovington has, of course, a working example; but it still seems a shame that such a rare experimental beast should end up shot to buggery in a remote part of Scotland. :wtf:
This pic was posted on the Historic Military Vehicle Forum ( http://hmvf.co.uk/topic/20282-range-wrecks/?page=7 )
and for those inclined- as I am sometimes- to wonder where all the WW2 hardware went, this site gives some good clues about the armoured inventory. Quite a few Comets and Shermans have had the stuffing shot out of them on the same range. :|
What interests me though, about the A39 Tortoise, is that it had a gun equivalent to the German 88. We probably all know that the Germans modified their Anti-aircraft, and Anti-tank 8.8 cm flak gun design, to produce a gun to fit the Tiger 1, and later the King Tiger. But it's not common knowledge that the Brits did the same with their 3.7 inch (94mm) QF anti-tank gun. The mark VI version of the gun had a ceiling of almost 50,000 ft (way more than the 88). and a muzzle velocity of over 1,000 metres per sec (3,425 Fps), again better than the 88. Apparently, the Canadians attempted to fit the gun to a Ram tank; but it never got beyond the testing phase- which was probably good news for German tank crews.. :lolno:
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Canadian Ram fitted with British 3.7in QF Anti-Aircraft gun
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This greater performance came at price: the 3.7 in gun was almost two tons heavier than the German 88, and this created an almost insuperable mobility issue. Even though this British gun had always been envisioned to have a secondary role as an anti-tank weapon; the weight factor precluded its use. Until, that is, the Tortoise Assault Tank project came along in 1944.
Here's an interesting thread begun by Giganaut in 2014, on the topic of the Tortoise, and other Assault Tank designs.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13512&p=121671&hilit=tortoise+A39#p121671
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:48 pm

Oh, yes, I forgot to include this interesting background piece on the ill-fated Tortoise:
https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/d ... mor_id=354
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The Tortoise at Bovington in 2011- pic by Paul
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:14 pm

That's quite an interesting read, thanks :thumbup:

Wasn't till joining this forum that I realised we had self propelled guns in the UK.

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PS, at least it's not stranded upside down ;)
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Postby capt midnight » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:15 pm

Interesting read.

Although I was really expecting something like this...

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:17 pm

Sorry Mr 43rd, I think Bill has trumped you. . . .
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:19 pm

Bill, what electronics you got in it? IBU or TK, and what drive system?
Is the turret 360?

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Postby capt midnight » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:25 pm

Nothing special. I'm using the stock running gear, powered by lettuce and other vegetables. The rotation is good, but the elevation leaves a bit to be desired. :haha:

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:36 pm

capt midnight wrote:powered by lettuce and other vegetables.

Bill

WOW, you have a Mr. Fusion generator, I'm well impressed :D

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:45 pm

And back on topic. . . .

It seems really strange why us Brits didn't come up with more tiger busting weaponry in the field of WW2 battle?

If it wasn't for that chaps (who's name escapes me) persistence, we wouldn't have had the firefly, he got so much negative response to his idea.

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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:48 pm

capt midnight wrote:Interesting read.

Although I was really expecting something like this...

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:lolno: :thumbup:
That would be a 43rd RecceReptile Regiment member. :D (Yes..they are reptiles not amphibians, as a by the by..)
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:57 pm

and here's the amphibious Sturmgeschutz Turtle version..
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Postby capt midnight » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:00 pm

And the infantry for support.

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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:02 pm

:haha: :wave:
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Postby wibblywobbly » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:14 pm

The drawback being, of course, that they only carried one shell. :D
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:40 pm

wibblywobbly wrote:The drawback being, of course, that they only carried one shell. :D

Boom boom. . . . Or should that just be boom in this case :think:

Why did I bother to try to get this back on topic for Mr 43rd :lolno:
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:57 pm

Yes, But what a shell..! This one has Chompham-Lettuce ceramic armour..
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Schnapping Turtle Tank Hybrid Mk 1..with guillotine beak weapon
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:12 pm

Meanwhile at the factory. . . .
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They produced this. . . .
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And this one has its own scale commander. . . .
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Postby c.rainford73 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:51 pm

One cannot forget this special lady....Image
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Postby capt midnight » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:46 pm

Not to be out done, the Americans developed their own entry into the Turtle Arms race.

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:36 pm

c.rainford73 wrote:One cannot forget this special lady....Image

She's happy to be on the factories shop floor ;)

As for turtles Bill, I can't see a single one in this thread, they're all tortoises :P
Maybe there's a sub turtle somewhere, and I don't mean a slave/gimp ;)

Edit, now my minds working overtime to NOT see a turtle in studded straps with a leash. . . .
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