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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:35 pm

Well, not the proverbial garden slowcoach variety, anyway; but this former 79 ton rarity:
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Tortured Tortoise A39- languishing at Kirkcudbright firing range..

Only six were made, and Tom has the only 1/16 version, so far as I know. :haha: At almost 80 tons, 33ft in length and 13 ft wide, not many bridges would have been happy to support it, nor narrow streets eager to allow it to pass through Northern Europe.
Bovington has, of course, a working example; but it still seems a shame that such a rare experimental beast should end up shot to buggery in a remote part of Scotland. :wtf:
This pic was posted on the Historic Military Vehicle Forum ( http://hmvf.co.uk/topic/20282-range-wrecks/?page=7 )
and for those inclined- as I am sometimes- to wonder where all the WW2 hardware went, this site gives some good clues about the armoured inventory. Quite a few Comets and Shermans have had the stuffing shot out of them on the same range. :|
What interests me though, about the A39 Tortoise, is that it had a gun equivalent to the German 88. We probably all know that the Germans modified their Anti-aircraft, and Anti-tank 8.8 cm flak gun design, to produce a gun to fit the Tiger 1, and later the King Tiger. But it's not common knowledge that the Brits did the same with their 3.7 inch (94mm) QF anti-tank gun. The mark VI version of the gun had a ceiling of almost 50,000 ft (way more than the 88). and a muzzle velocity of over 1,000 metres per sec (3,425 Fps), again better than the 88. Apparently, the Canadians attempted to fit the gun to a Ram tank; but it never got beyond the testing phase- which was probably good news for German tank crews.. :lolno:
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Canadian Ram fitted with British 3.7in QF Anti-Aircraft gun
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This greater performance came at price: the 3.7 in gun was almost two tons heavier than the German 88, and this created an almost insuperable mobility issue. Even though this British gun had always been envisioned to have a secondary role as an anti-tank weapon; the weight factor precluded its use. Until, that is, the Tortoise Assault Tank project came along in 1944.
Here's an interesting thread begun by Giganaut in 2014, on the topic of the Tortoise, and other Assault Tank designs.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13512&p=121671&hilit=tortoise+A39#p121671
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:48 pm

Oh, yes, I forgot to include this interesting background piece on the ill-fated Tortoise:
https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/d ... mor_id=354
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The Tortoise at Bovington in 2011- pic by Paul
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Postby capt midnight » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:15 pm

Interesting read.

Although I was really expecting something like this...

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Postby capt midnight » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:25 pm

Nothing special. I'm using the stock running gear, powered by lettuce and other vegetables. The rotation is good, but the elevation leaves a bit to be desired. :haha:

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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:48 pm

capt midnight wrote:Interesting read.

Although I was really expecting something like this...

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:lolno: :thumbup:
That would be a 43rd RecceReptile Regiment member. :D (Yes..they are reptiles not amphibians, as a by the by..)
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:57 pm

and here's the amphibious Sturmgeschutz Turtle version..
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Sturmgeschutz Turretless Turtle
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Postby capt midnight » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:00 pm

And the infantry for support.

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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:02 pm

:haha: :wave:
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Postby wibblywobbly » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:14 pm

The drawback being, of course, that they only carried one shell. :D
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:57 pm

Yes, But what a shell..! This one has Chompham-Lettuce ceramic armour..
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Schnapping Turtle Tank Hybrid Mk 1..with guillotine beak weapon
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Postby c.rainford73 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:51 pm

One cannot forget this special lady....Image
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Postby capt midnight » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:46 pm

Not to be out done, the Americans developed their own entry into the Turtle Arms race.

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Postby tomhugill » Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:51 pm

A cruel winter and my tortoise looks almost as bad! Luckily woz has her for some.parts fitting so she should be happier!ImageImageImageImage

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Postby c.rainford73 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:08 pm

Tom that is just an awesome piece of armour
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:51 pm

:O :O ...
Is that real rust there Tom? It looks as if the sole 1/16 A39 in the World has been languishing all winter in your garden, never mind Kirkcudbright, or Salisbury Plain.. You should be reported to the RSPC-T for this cruel neglect..or was this one concealed from Wifey? :shh: :lolno:
I wouldn't be surprised if something was living inside it.. 8O :shifty:
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Postby capt midnight » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:08 am

And to think all this time I've been using paint and chemicals to simulate rust! Tom, do you think leaving it outside all summer would work as well?

It really looks great. What's the green material on it?

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Postby c.rainford73 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:14 am

Yes it appears to be naturally weathered algea covered and rusted as if it was hidden in your yard and just dug up and located.... :shifty:

Tom you have been reported to the proper authorities
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:29 am

capt midnight wrote:And to think all this time I've been using paint and chemicals to simulate rust! Tom, do you think leaving it outside all summer would work as well?

It really looks great. What's the green material on it?

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It looks like astroturf camouflage; the sort they have on all weather golf-links :D .... Ah, eureka! Tom disguised the Tortoise as one of those (often indoor) Putt return machines... ;) No wonder the trouble and strife never noticed it.,,when it was gobbling golf balls :lolno:
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Postby tomhugill » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:59 am

43rdRecceReg wrote:
capt midnight wrote:And to think all this time I've been using paint and chemicals to simulate rust! Tom, do you think leaving it outside all summer would work as well?

It really looks great. What's the green material on it?

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It looks like astroturf camouflage; the sort they have on all weather golf-links :D .... Ah, eureka! Tom disguised the Tortoise as one of those (often indoor) Putt return machines... ;) No wonder the trouble and strife never noticed it.,,when it was gobbling gold balls :lolno:



ROFL! That really made me chuckle. The tortoise is situated in shelf segment closest to.the door and lowest to the floor. Everything else on my selves is dry and fine for.some.reason this one went rusty. The green stuff represents cast texture but it'll be toned down in the final finishing.

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Postby capt midnight » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:18 am

[quote="tomhugill"ROFL! That really made me chuckle. The tortoise is situated in shelf segment closest to.the door and lowest to the floor. Everything else on my selves is dry and fine for.some.reason this one went rusty. The green stuff represents cast texture but it'll be toned down in the final finishing.[/quote]

So, It's something like Squadron green putty? Can't wait to see this one finished up!

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