Porsche vs Henschel King Tiger

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Postby seekaliao » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:06 pm

I am wondering which one looks nicer. I am getting a Heng Long kingtiger but can't decide between the 2. Going to change the gun to 105mm L/68 though. So wonder which one will look better.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated!!!

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Postby JohnWhyte » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:37 pm

I would suggest the henschel turret as it is the later model of King tiger but it is up to you what turret you want to use

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Postby dgsselkirk » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:11 pm

Porsche, more sporty and will go with the 105 better... 8)
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Postby wibblywobbly » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:54 pm

I have the Porsche, I much prefer it.
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Postby Tiggr » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:10 pm

I prefer the Henshel turret.

Interesting that Porsche failed the Tiger 1 selection process, his KT turret had a shell trap design and winding the clock forward a few decades his ancestors designed a car with the engine behind the rear axle - hardly logical engineering. :haha:
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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:56 pm

My vote goes to henschel. I strongly dislike the porsche one.
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Postby jarndice » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:00 pm

Tiggr wrote:I prefer the Henshel turret.

Interesting that Porsche failed the Tiger 1 selection process, his KT turret had a shell trap design and winding the clock forward a few decades his ancestors designed a car with the engine behind the rear axle - hardly logical engineering. :haha:


And yet still the most practical Supercar you can buy.
Shaun.

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Postby Tiggr » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:07 pm

jarndice wrote:
Tiggr wrote:I prefer the Henshel turret.

Interesting that Porsche failed the Tiger 1 selection process, his KT turret had a shell trap design and winding the clock forward a few decades his ancestors designed a car with the engine behind the rear axle - hardly logical engineering. :haha:


And yet still the most practical Supercar you can buy.
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If you can keep the tail end on the road.........
Obviously later models with 4 wheel drive and controlled traction and added weight over the front wheels have overcome this serious design flaw.
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Postby jackalope » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:36 pm

You ever try taking a hard corner in an early Porsche 911? They understeer like a garbage truck on ice going down hill! LOL!

Besides look at the Porsche turret, they were left overs from the failed Tiger I prototype. Just like look at the Elephant/Ferdinand lower hull, left over failed Tiger I prototypes. But Germany couldn't waste any materials let alone tank parts! They just cobbled together parts to make due with what they had. The Porsche design was just too far ahead of its time, using the engine to power electric motors rather then any mechanical driveline. Very cool, but in war time you need simple, easy to maintain, rugged not very cool.
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:43 pm

I prefer the Henschel turret.
No shot trap and a bit more 'meaty' if you are going to over stuff a massive gun into it !!
Really is a subjective idea though, it's what it looks to you that matters
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Postby PainlessWolf » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:40 pm

Good afternoon,
I will answer in the form of a photograph. ;o)
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A runner more than a looker, the years have only added to this giant tank's physical impact when viewed up close.JPG
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Postby Raminator » Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:02 am

The Porsche KT turret is just as much of an abomination as the Porsche Tiger. Ferdinand should have stuck with engineering and left design to his son.
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Postby Tiggr » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:48 pm

Son of a gun-ner wrote:
Tiggr wrote:
jarndice wrote:
Tiggr wrote:I prefer the Henshel turret.

Interesting that Porsche failed the Tiger 1 selection process, his KT turret had a shell trap design and winding the clock forward a few decades his ancestors designed a car with the engine behind the rear axle - hardly logical engineering. :haha:


And yet still the most practical Supercar you can buy.
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If you can keep the tail end on the road.........
Obviously later models with 4 wheel drive and controlled traction and added weight over the front wheels have overcome this serious design flaw.

How was it a design flaw? Before the latest electronic gizmos and 4wd, porche were trouncing the opposition, especially unpredictable mid engine cars on the track in production races, that's why so many were sold for racing, and why they ended up with so many different race classes, when I used to follow British touring car and production racing around the country, the 'design flawed' porche cornered astoundingly well (obviously wasn't in touring car races, support races and their own races on other weekends). One only has to look back at the stats of their old two wheel drive cars to see it. And now with 4wd, they're even better.

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Yes Mick - they all had big lead weights over the front wheels to compensate for the huge pendulum effect the rear mounted engine had.
Like I said - flawed engineering.
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Postby jackalope » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:12 pm

Tig, I said the exact same thing! LOL! Understeers like a garbage truck on ice heading down a hill! LOL!
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Postby Afrikakorps » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:24 pm

Well, it really is love'm or hate'm isn't it. :thumbup: or :thumbdown:

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Postby jackalope » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:03 pm

No the Porshe turrets were left over from the failed Tiger I prototype by Porsche. They found the turret could handle the L71 gun so it was mated to the Tiger II lower hull. Thats also where the Ferdinand/Elephant lower hull came from, they were left overs from the failed Tiger I prototype. Germany was in such need for ANY armor they used whatever they could.

Porsche cars are very very nice, not perfect but nice.
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Postby jarndice » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:24 pm

Hi Mick,
We had this discussion on modern Tanks with what I perceived as Shot traps,
I was universally, excuse me, shot down with my comments,
Apparently these are not "Shot Traps",
Yeah Right !!
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Postby Afrikakorps » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:12 pm

I have read a lot and heard a lot said about the Porsche turret being a "shot trap", but also read that it was more costly and time consuming to produce than the Henschel turret. Either way, Porsche was not the winning candidate for the the final production run.

Can anyone show me a photograph of a Porsche King Tiger that was knocked out because of the turret "shot trap" ?

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Postby BarryC » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:23 pm

Not being a "true" fan of the King Tiger though it was truly an awesome weapon and arguably the zenith of WWII tank design.
IMO the Porsche turret is much better looking than the "flat" manteled Henschel turret.

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Postby jackalope » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:51 pm

Son of a gun-ner wrote:
jackalope wrote:No the Porshe turrets were left over from the failed Tiger I prototype by Porsche. They found the turret could handle the L71 gun so it was mated to the Tiger II lower hull. Thats also where the Ferdinand/Elephant lower hull came from, they were left overs from the failed Tiger I prototype. Germany was in such need for ANY armor they used whatever they could.

Porsche cars are very very nice, not perfect but nice.

I'll give you a couple of copied and pasted quotes from the tank museums literature.
"the Porsche design; VK45.02(P) was BASED on the earlier rejected design for the Tiger I with enhanced armament"
And.
This turret, frequently, and incorrectly named, the ‘Henschel’ turret, was much easier to build as it eliminated many of the complicated curved forgings and extensive machining which the original turret had demanded. The slightly sloped front plate of this new turret also eliminated the shot trap which had existed on the old design and had the benefit of providing greater internal turret room space allowing 86 rounds of ammunition to the Porsche designed turret’s 80.

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BASED on left over turrets that were modified to fit the L71. I read the same thing, however also read that the ones that were made from the left over never finished Tiger I prototype. Again thats also where the Ferdinand and Elephant got there lower hulls from.
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