Surprising find!

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What i write is reality, nothing is fantasy...
I live 200 km from Heikendorf and get a lot of information about the regional news.
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It´s over!

The Regional Court of Kiel today (3. 8.21) sentenced the 84-year-old to 14 months imprisonment on probation for unlawful possession of weapons, ammunition and explosives.
In addition, he must pay 250,000 € and sell the "Panther" and the 8.8 Flak to a museum or collector within two years.
The convicted man confessed to the charges.
A museum in Seattle (USA) is obviously interested in the tank, the anti-aircraft gun a collector from North Rhine-Westphalia.
The fine of € 250,000 will be "distributed" as follows:
Schleswig Holzstein state treasury 50,000 and 70,000 each to an SOS children's village and a Kiel hospice and 60,000 to a Kiel animal shelter.
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Jhamm,

Thanks for the update! I guess that settles that! Also thanks for the pics of the Panther before restoration. I had no idea it was so beat up, it looked like new when being removed from the garage. :thumbup:

Hello Herman,

No disrespect meant to any country or it's citizen's. Just discussing what to me is an unbelievable and fantastic story! It' s like saying a neighbor of mine has a U boat in his lagoon! You are right, laws are laws that have to be followed. It probably wouldn't be a very nice World to live in without them! :wave:

Cheers,
Eric.

P.S. It also looks like the fines are going to be going to some fine charities and hopefully will do some good. :clap:
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HERMAN BIX wrote:Folks, before we all get bogged down in the pro's & cons of the principles surrounding this relic AFV's history or fate, lets remember it is the subject of a sovereign nations laws, and anything we say or think here is pure fantasy & cannot be compared to any other nations laws or expectations in this context.

Either way this story ends, the main thing is that the tank is preserved for posterity, and the fate or conduct of its custodian shall be judged by those mandated to do so under the laws they obey.................
The history of "War" Booty is a long and not always honourable one,
Immediately after the second Iraq war I had cause to visit RAF Brize Norton,
As I was driving across the dispersal area I pointed out to my escort the imposing Green and Gold Boeing 747 in the livery of the lately deposed Iraqi Government that was parked there,
The gentleman told me it was Saddam Hussain's own transport and was awaiting disposal,
There was never any mention in the press about it even though for the week or so that it was at Brize Norton it could be clearly seen from the adjacent A40 :lolno:
After the Falklands campaign a number of Huey's in Argentinian markings were removed to the UK and served a particular British Army Regiment in the West of England until the home grown product became available,
I think one of them can now be seen at the RAF Cosford Aircraft Museum.
Again no mention in the press but it was common knowledge to those with a few contacts.
A few Argentinian Air Force Pucara Ground Attack aircraft were airlifted/Shipped to the UK although most of the Pucaras that had been in the Falklands remained there having been destroyed by that same regiment a little earlier :lolno:
And woe betide any Argentinian officer captured in the Falklands hoping to retain his ACP :thumbdown:
I think I am about to upset someone :haha:
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Jarndice,

You are correct again Sir. Sounds like Argentine ACP's were as popular as Luger's in WW2. My Uncle Raywald at one time had 21 Luger's clunking around in his rucksack. He traded most of them for cigarettes, a bottle of wine, eggs, etc., whatever he wanted or needed at the time. He returned to the State's with 5 of these and promptly had them chrome plated! The chrome plating was expertly done and nice to look at, but very thick which obviously removed all markings and proof's thereby ruining their collector's value. He gave one to my Father who had it until I was about 10 years old and then sold it for what seemed like a good amount of money back then. Never occurred to him that one day I'd be interested in these things! :wtf: As Dave Mustaine of MegaDeth once said "hindsight is twenty twenty, broken back is still a bit fuzzy"! :crazy:

Truly hope that this topic didn't step on any toes. I just found the whole story so unreal...and fascinating.

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jhamm wrote:It´s over!

The Regional Court of Kiel today (3. 8.21) sentenced the 84-year-old to 14 months imprisonment on probation for unlawful possession of weapons, ammunition and explosives.
In addition, he must pay 250,000 € and sell the "Panther" and the 8.8 Flak to a museum or collector within two years.
The convicted man confessed to the charges.
A museum in Seattle (USA) is obviously interested in the tank, the anti-aircraft gun a collector from North Rhine-Westphalia.
The fine of € 250,000 will be "distributed" as follows:
Schleswig Holzstein state treasury 50,000 and 70,000 each to an SOS children's village and a Kiel hospice and 60,000 to a Kiel animal shelter.
He will get a lot more than 250k euros for his items so will be in big profit! Plus that sentence I assume will be suspended

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Do you really think it's a profit
when you lose or have to sell a collection you've built up over a long time?
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Yes because at least he's able to sell them rather than have them confiscated and then have to find 250k from somewhere else

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Believe me, the gentleman has so much money that he can pay the 250,000 € even without selling the Panther...
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So sad. Sorry for this man and his Panther ( I don't speak about the non-demilitarized rifles and ammunitions...)

This panther wasn't a secret and it was the restoration of a life. Now, the owner has the obligation to sale his own tank. Where is the german democraty for this man?
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