Panzer IV with Schürzen
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Re: Panzer IV with Schürzen
I'm going to ask a silly question.
Why did the gearboxes have to get jacked up level?
Couldn't you have dropped the rear and lifted the front (sprocket drive shaft end)?
Saving a lot of modification effort?
The gearboxes are like Herman's sloping rear deck behind Schürzen, who's going to see it
Why did the gearboxes have to get jacked up level?
Couldn't you have dropped the rear and lifted the front (sprocket drive shaft end)?
Saving a lot of modification effort?
The gearboxes are like Herman's sloping rear deck behind Schürzen, who's going to see it
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Re: Panzer IV with Schürzen
You know that is a valid question I asked myself a couple days ago. Dunno, I did the motor lift according to instructions on here years ago. If I were to do it today I would definitely try the front tilt, it would fix/help with fitting.
As to why fix things that might be unseen, I really never know where the end result will be. Damaged/missing schürzen or repair diorama...
As to why fix things that might be unseen, I really never know where the end result will be. Damaged/missing schürzen or repair diorama...
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Hindsight is always a wonderful thing
You're doing a grand job, and I'm soaking up all the corrections needed
You're doing a grand job, and I'm soaking up all the corrections needed
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Re: Panzer IV with Schürzen
Ohh I'm hooked as well. Keep going Eric
Can't wait to see the Schürzen come to fruition.
Can't wait to see the Schürzen come to fruition.
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Re: Panzer IV with Schürzen
I have been following this build with interest and all along I have been puzzled by the term Schurzen which I have always believed to be the name given to the additional armour fitted around the Turret of the late PZ4 Ausf G and the additional armour around the turret and body of the PZ4 Ausf H/J,
The Anti Magnetic mine paste fitted to most German Armour upto 1944 was called Zimmerit.
I await correction.
The Anti Magnetic mine paste fitted to most German Armour upto 1944 was called Zimmerit.
I await correction.
I think I am about to upset someone
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Re: Panzer IV with Schürzen
To the best of my knowledge, you are exactly right, jarndice:
Schürzen are indeed, the supplemental armor found around the turret and alongside a Pzkw. III, IV (and others?). Although they were easily penetrated, their purpose was to set off charges before they hit the tank itself.
Zimmerit is a pasty substance that prevented magnetic anti-tank mines from sticking to the fabricated and cast metal tank hull.
Schürzen are indeed, the supplemental armor found around the turret and alongside a Pzkw. III, IV (and others?). Although they were easily penetrated, their purpose was to set off charges before they hit the tank itself.
Zimmerit is a pasty substance that prevented magnetic anti-tank mines from sticking to the fabricated and cast metal tank hull.
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Re: Panzer IV with Schürzen
Bix called it ersatz armour, I have always heard it called Schürzen (and I thought there was a "t" in there somewhere). If I am using the wrong terminology I will be happy to edit and get on the correct path!
I did state these are my first journeys into the world of German armor.
I did state these are my first journeys into the world of German armor.
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Re: Panzer IV with Schürzen
Basically the spaced armour on say Pz 3 s and any conventional bolted or welded armour should be considered factory.
Schurzen was also produced by the factories and either fitted then as part of its mass manufacturing process or sent as kits to rear depots for retrofitting.
Ersatz armour is derived from
Materials locally available, salvaged from old vehicles and custom cut to suit by individual crews and or relevant support units.
Pendulum Stugs later on were a mix of both,
I refer to any vehicle that seems to have schurzen on it in an unconventional design to be Ersatz .
Like my Moravian StuG that resembles a turtle .
Schurzen was also produced by the factories and either fitted then as part of its mass manufacturing process or sent as kits to rear depots for retrofitting.
Ersatz armour is derived from
Materials locally available, salvaged from old vehicles and custom cut to suit by individual crews and or relevant support units.
Pendulum Stugs later on were a mix of both,
I refer to any vehicle that seems to have schurzen on it in an unconventional design to be Ersatz .
Like my Moravian StuG that resembles a turtle .
HL JAGDPANTHER,HL TIGER 1,HL PzIII MUNITIONSCHLEPPER, HL KT OCTOPUS,HL PANTHER ZU-FUSS,HL STuG III,HL T34/85 BEDSPRING,
HL PZIV MALTA,MATORRO JAGDTIGER,HL F05 TIGER,TAMIYA KT,HL PANTHERDOZER,HL EARLY PANTHER G,TAIGEN/RAMINATOR T34/76,
HL AN-BRI-RAM SU-85
HL PZIV MALTA,MATORRO JAGDTIGER,HL F05 TIGER,TAMIYA KT,HL PANTHERDOZER,HL EARLY PANTHER G,TAIGEN/RAMINATOR T34/76,
HL AN-BRI-RAM SU-85
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Re: Panzer IV with Schürzen
Ecam: If I pronounce Schürzen, the Z sounds as if a TS sound. I learned German at age 14-17, and I cannot pronounce it any other way. Maybe one of the native Germans here on RCTW can check me on this.
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Re: Panzer IV with Schürzen
Wasn't it mostly on PZ3's?jarndice wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:34 pm I have been following this build with interest and all along I have been puzzled by the term Schurzen which I have always believed to be the name given to the additional armour fitted around the Turret of the late PZ4 Ausf G and the additional armour around the turret and body of the PZ4 Ausf H/J,
Where's this mentioned/discussed within this build?
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