761st Tank Battalion M4A3 in the Ardennes

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Re: 761st Tank Battalion M4A3 in the Ardennes

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"I had intended to do some work disassembling...but, sadly, it's been rainy and and windy here, so that's simply not been possible." :eh: That seems to be the best time to do such hobby work. One can do disassembling inside. In fact, believe me, it's possible even to paint in an apartment bathroom without losing ones deposit and being evicted.
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Re: 761st Tank Battalion M4A3 in the Ardennes

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Herr Dr. Professor wrote: Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:39 pm "I had intended to do some work disassembling...but, sadly, it's been rainy and and windy here, so that's simply not been possible." :eh: That seems to be the best time to do such hobby work. One can do disassembling inside. In fact, believe me, it's possible even to paint in an apartment bathroom without losing ones deposit and being evicted.
Ah, Herr Doktor....

You fail to know that my home is currently in a state of "everything piled upon everything." And for Mithras to have a proper space within the confines of the Mithraeum to work on his vehicle, he must betimes work in the atrium of said Mithraeum. It's just to the right, behind the Tauroctany. As such, in this case, Mithras -needs- to work outside.

I myself have avoided being evicted mainly through being so unfathomably perfect. Doesn't hurt that the landlord is about as competent as a... Well, let's call him an Italian sports car designer employed by Mussolini to design a tank using native Italian steel, heavy with sulfur. Is that what the mortals this day call making an "in period reference?"
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Re: 761st Tank Battalion M4A3 in the Ardennes

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HERMAN BIX wrote: Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:16 am Yip, its a Sherman alright !
Oooh, I have a few of those, and a few more in bits :D
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Re: 761st Tank Battalion M4A3 in the Ardennes

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As somebody once observed, "there is always another Sherman..."
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Four screws on the bottom all at the outer edge of hull, front two are about a quarter of the way back and with the new hull are slightly staggered across (old hull they are even). The rear two are at the very rear corners. That will free the upper from the lower hull. Then disconnect the main harness from the upper hull (old hull had a light wire too, but I think it gone with the new hull). Everything unplugs from the MFU but take a picture or write a diagram before pulling wires. I remove the bind button altogether, but keep it around if it is ever needed. The only thing that needs unsoldering is the battery lead from the power switch, but only if you need to remove switch or power lead. Two screws will release the turret drive ring and turret can be removed. Six screw under the turret to pull that apart if needed.
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Re: 761st Tank Battalion M4A3 in the Ardennes

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Ecam wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:09 am Four screws on the bottom all at the outer edge of hull, front two are about a quarter of the way back and with the new hull are slightly staggered across (old hull they are even). The rear two are at the very rear corners. That will free the upper from the lower hull. Then disconnect the main harness from the upper hull (old hull had a light wire too, but I think it gone with the new hull). Everything unplugs from the MFU but take a picture or write a diagram before pulling wires. I remove the bind button altogether, but keep it around if it is ever needed. The only thing that needs unsoldering is the battery lead from the power switch, but only if you need to remove switch or power lead. Two screws will release the turret drive ring and turret can be removed. Six screw under the turret to pull that apart if needed.
Thanks very much!
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Re: 761st Tank Battalion M4A3 in the Ardennes

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I'd written up a draft for this. Bleedin' thing disappeared. Oh well. Starting from the beginning. I must have been supplied by the US military....

At any rate, the essential details:

Sunday saw my disassembly, in as much as was reasonable and practicable at my skill level, for the modification and repaint process. There were no nasty surprises, and I got a great deal of work done, as seen below. I only neglected to disassemble areas requiring soldering and, in one case, a part that I was unsure how to remove safely. Masking should probably take care of that concern.

I have identified a pair of colors that represent a color to me that seems appropriate compared to historical examples. The catch (and there is always a catch, as they say) is that the base paint in question is produced by Vallejo, and whilst I enjoy working with their paints, their sprays are not precisely well stocked locally, nor is Vallejo particularly good about keeping up stock levels on their end. We'll see. AK Interactive used to make a perfect color, but that appears to be out of production... I don't use an airbrush to do my painting. Rattle cans and brushes suit me fine.

I'm sure I can use another, but this particular mix of colors would be perfect for the job, and I really don't think completely hand brushing the base coat is appropriate or particularly practical, though some of it will have to be hand applied.

The metal parts appear to be workable for rust affects and potential mud and dirt effects. I don't see that interfering with operation, so that bit will be easy enough. The rubber road wheels are extremely difficult to remove, so it'll likely be a case of my matte coating the metal wheels and painting in the color for most... I'll likely leave some bare metal, to represent recent replacements.

I also unpacked the various accessories and sorted through what was provided. I have mixed opinions. Whilst some of them were much nicer than I expected, it's clear that some will need to be replaced. So these are just a few general thoughts. I'm not one of those sorts of modelers who feels that things need to be replaced with another part simply because of the need for the challenge or due to a change in material: in general, if the part is solid and looks the part, it paints up as well as any other. However, my experience has been that some parts -do- need replacing in larger scale projects, and frankly some of these are... meh. Stowage and tools look better than I had expected, though it seems to me there isn't enough of it. Rear stowage rack might need replacing. Bags and pouches are nice enough, but the cloth and resin examples I've seen might be better suited. The steel pot helmet included for stowage is... meh. Commander is fine enough I guess but a bit toyish. I haven't decided what I think about the ammo boxes. AA MG will need to be replaced. It appears that the hull MG is wired in my example to light up when fired, but the model didn't -come- with a hull machine gun barrel, so that'll also need to be seen to. I think I'd like to add a metal pistol port.

Replacements and upgrades are, of course, dependent upon finding them and getting them here in time. I've had mixed success with that recently. Several weeks ago I came across a number of listings for cosmetic accessories. I'll have to see if I can't find them again.

Stencils, at least, are sorted, as is a much better tank commander: both are coming from Rad.

So, to summarize.

1. Need to source the paint that I've identified and in both spray and bottle form. The whitewash for snow camo will be much, much easier. There will be no "piled snow" on the vehicle, incidentally: that doesn't stick to tanks unless they sit still for a good long while, and my experience has been that it doesn't "work" for my over critical eyes, though I've seen it done beautifully.

2. Will need to search carefully for cosmetic upgrades and find a way to get them here on time.


Aside from nervousness about putting the thing back together properly (the wiring was a bird's nest, and there was no diagram, though I sketched it as it appeared, and I'm very nervous about reassembling the turret ring and servo properly), this -should- be a fairly painless process. In the meanwhile, I'm in the process of reading "Death Traps," which I strongly recommend to anyone with an interest in American armored operations from a very different perspective (that of a maintenance battalion officer.)

Edit: Oops! Forgot the photos. Attaching now.

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"I have seen the first of the new tanks today. They are beautiful."
- Annibale "Electric Beard" Bergonzoli, upon the first delivery of M11/39s to Libya, 1940.
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Re: 761st Tank Battalion M4A3 in the Ardennes

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If it is of any help, I have used an enamel spray can for US WWII Olive Drab, FA 340867: Model Master 1911 (spray can).
As you likely know well, the “correct” OD is a matter of seemingly endless discussion among modelers. Steven Zaloga evaluated lots of OD variants, and this one came out pretty well.
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Re: 761st Tank Battalion M4A3 in the Ardennes

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There is a very easy mod for the Hull MG,
When you get it push the barrel through a small childs bead butt the bead against the hull but do NOT get glue on it,
Box the bead in with scrap sprue which you do glue to the hull to keep the bead/mg in place but free to move.
A 5 minute job that adds a good look to your Tank.
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Re: 761st Tank Battalion M4A3 in the Ardennes

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Great idea, but now I have about eight reworks to do.
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