Clark TK24 - Non S-bus

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I'll see if I can dig out the mixes I use, if nothing else if shows the rough stock positions to get the function.

Richard, do you have throttle and turn on the left stick and the rest on the right?

To be able able the put the function on a switch you need to be able to have the mix mimic the stick action (in this case down slightly and to the left) on mine I had to add a slight delay to the "stick right" portion of the mix as it was confusing the Clark board.

I think the firmware on those radios is similar to the firmware on the 9x which only let you slave one channel to another, rather than having a switch do two actions on separate channels.

Appologies if I'm explaining it poorly, it's on of these things that makes perfect sense in my head but is more difficult to articulate!!
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Here's a video show my old tiger with a tk24 showing all the functions put onto switches and the elevation put back to up and down on the stick like on a tamiya.
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In a manner of speaking, I think I have made some progress, though also taken at least one step back. As I said, throttle is on the left stick as is the turret rotation, steering on the right. I prefer the steering on the same stick as the throttle, so I shall have to swap these 2 channels over. Anyway, today' happenings. After a bit of fiddling round, I got the engine to start. Also I got two different machine guns and the cannon to fire. Despite my efforts I still could not get out of neutral, then all of a sudden the tracks started. Trouble is I don't know where the sticks were when I did it. I ran the tracks for a while to check the steering, which had left and right on the wrong side. This is where the step backward occurred. For the second time, the left hand idler came unscrewed. I checked it properly this time and found that the self tapper retaining screw runs in a brass bush. however, for whatever reason, the screw was solid in the bush and the bush was solid in the idler, hence it unscrewed. This has been resolved with some WD40.

Before trying to map the sticks again, I shall get the steering and turret rotation swapped and then, hopefully, I can get it all sorted.

Tom posted while I was typing this. What he said sound promising, but I need to find out the correct stick position first, I think.
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If it were possible to get the elevation like Tamiya that would be even better.
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I think some of your issue comes from having the turret controls split between two sticks, I find it makes it more difficult with Clark boards. With drive on one stick and turret functions on another I think you'll have an easier time of it.
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tomhugill wrote:I think some of your issue comes from having the turret controls split between two sticks, I find it makes it more difficult with Clark boards. With drive on one stick and turret functions on another I think you'll have an easier time of it.
Absolutely spot on :thumbup: . I've now got throttle and steering on the left stick and everything else on the right. I can start and stop the engine, fire the machine guns and cannon. I can even, on occasions put it in and out of neutral. That, I hope, will improve with practice.

It would still be nice to move the neutral control to a switch if at all possible.

Thanks to all for their help.

I shall now reconnect the upper hull and see what, if anything, works as it should!
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Upper hull connected and both turret rotation and gun elevation work, though not quite as expected. Ro thought that the turret connector might be wired differently in the T90 from older tanks and it looks like he was right. When you move the stick for rotation, the gun elevates and depresses and similarly, when you position the stick for elevation the turret rotates. I am assuming that this merely means swapping the wires in the 8 pin connector.

The airsoft even fires, though this is of no interest to me. Curiously, I still have a 2 pin connector left disconnected. This emanates from a bunch of black and red wires attached to the airsoft unit. I have not tested the smoker, but can see no reason why that should not work.
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I've just had a thought. Presumably I could swap over the elevation and rotation channels instead. However, as a consequence, I guess that would change all the operations that require a mix of both channels. Any useful comments on my options would be very welcome.
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I took the easy option and swapped over the elevation and rotation channels. The results indicate that it is not quite that simple. I think to get proper functionality, it needs rewiring. What I have on the right stick is - Straight up and down gives me elevation. Straight left and right gives me nothing at all. Turret rotation is either half forward and left or half backwards and left. Those settings respectively turn the turret right and left.

Not exactly intuitive. I will see how I get on, but I think in the long term, I will have to rewire. However, in time, I shall be removing the airsoft and installing a recoil system. This will need rewiring anyway so I shall do it all at the same time.

I hope my trials and tribulations may help others who decide to play with the same combination of equipment.
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I think the problem is that the new RX18 is configured to work with the new wiring order on the 8 pin. The TK24 is configured to work with old RX18 configuration. It's an either/or thing. If the old wiring is removed, and new wiring is installed directly from the elevation/rotation/lights/mg to the 8 pin using the old style order, then the TK24 will function perfectly.
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