smokers

[edpanzer]

Now I know I'm new and haven't actually got a tank yet but I had a thought would the oils from e ciggeretes work in a smoker? They seem to produce a fair amount of vapour.
Its proberbly already been tried but I thought I would ask.

[jarndice]

There is a rich and pretty pointless discussion on this subject if you scroll down to "ELECTRONIC's" and click on "SMOKERS", I bore people to death with my views on smokers in Tanks. But the short answer is this, Tanks in wartime are not expected to last long, they are after all front line combat vehicles, this is why both the American and Soviet Union churned them out like sausages and in the case of the T34 about as crudely, the German makers and designers quite simply over engineered their Tanks which is why they never built anywhere near enough of them. my point is this, these vehicles went into combat with brand new engines and transmissions, properly tuned and because they were new they would not, after they were warmed up, make smoke, why would you want an engine to smoke? it will give your position away. Unscrew your smoker and replace it with a decent control board or a better speaker. that way you will have a Tank that sounds right as well as looks right. sorry about the rant but this is a subject that winds me up. shaun

[edpanzer]

Sorry Shaun didn't mean to get you ranting as I said I don't even have a tank yet it was just a random thought that popped into my head.
Sorry to open old arguments
Eddie

[edpanzer]

Can I just disagree about one thing new diesels do smoke even today until I got laid off I worked for Perkins engines (caterpillar) on the engine test dept there a lot better than they used to be but they do still smoke particle filters play a large part in reducing visible smoke.
1930s/40s technology they definitely smoked
Eddie

[jarndice]

The only army in WW2 with diesel engined Tanks were the Soviet Union, To this day you will still get people willing to swear that German armour had diesel engines, THEY DID NOT, I imagine that because German Tank engines were fuel injected and in that time very few fitters had seen fuel injected petrol engines, That allied vehicle mechanics when confronted with a 12 cylinder fuel injected Tiger 1/2 assumed they must be diesel. I therefore stand by my point of view, on a slightly different tack the German Air Force did have Diesel engined Bombers (JUNCKERS JU 86D and R1) they were not particularly successful but the R1 which sported a pressurised cockpit did gain some altitude records. shaun

[edpanzer]

Omg I'm such a newbie

[PainlessWolf]

Good Morning,
Ed, asking questions is the only way to learn. I learn something new off of this forum every day. Jarndice, my much loved Kamerad, I read somewhere that the British Army toyed with or had some of the M4A2 versions of the Sherman. Did those come with diesel engines?
regards,
Painless

[jarndice]

50,000 Shermans were built so I would be surprised if they did not give it a try, The Mustang after all originally had an Allison engine but the British at that time were buying any and all the aviation types that the USA was making, but to keep the costs down and make engine servicing easier they fitted a RR Merlin which history shows changed it from a medium altitude mediocre aircraft to the finest fighter aircraft of the second World War, and which pretty much by itself gained air superiority over Germany thereby allowing the heavy bombers a much safer trip,The USA not being stupid built those Merlin engines on Packard assembly lines under licence!! the Merlin engine of course went on after the war to power British Tanks. the only British Tank with a diesel engine that I know of is the "LEYLAND MULTI-FUELLED CHIEFTAIN" a nasty piece of engineering from all accounts:thumbup: shaun

[strmnd54]

Now I know I'm new and haven't actually got a tank yet but I had a thought would the oils from e ciggeretes work in a smoker? They seem to produce a fair amount of vapour.
Its proberbly already been tried but I thought I would ask.

To finally answer your question; yes, oil from e ciggerets will work in a smoke unit...
But since it's also king of expensive, I use baby oil in my units and it works just fine:

http://youtu.be/aBXrPieV0ac?list=UUoWjH ... nVnrbH3GxQ

[Dietrich]

Hi edpanzer,
Personally I like tanks that smoke...I realise that it is not always historically accurate.... BUT.. its one of those things that adds to the effect of a scale tanks engine 'running'..... its another thing that the tank 'Does' when it is moving or still and which somehow helps to bring it to life....and I think that this is a case where more looks better in a scale model....
This Panzer IV at Munster in Dresden smokes a fair amount..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhE0aAeV-os
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Just as some thoughts, the Panzers which were struggling to be maintained in the wartime battlefield conditions may well have smoked.. a cracked piston ring, a blocked breather, a failing seal even poor grade lubricating oil would all have allowed oil into the engine which would have then been burnt and which would have come out as smoke......I am sure that any 'working' Panzer would have been used in battle, particularly when the 'tide of war' turned against them.
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Just to return to the question...... about 'E cigarettes fluid'.. I am not a smoker but having looked it up they do work with a heating coil which vapourises the liquid.. so in theory in ought to work.. whether it will work any better than conventional fluid will need to be tested.. just pick one that is nicotine free or you will get 'hooked' and start 'hanging around' model tanks exhaust pipes